Itinerant Air-Cooled Greetings From AZ

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Itinerant Air-Cooled Greetings From AZ

Post by Amskeptic » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:15 pm

The Land of Embarrassing Immigration Bickering is still lovely away from people, just the magnificent night sky telling me that human beings are exceedingly delicate and petty at times as we studiously avoid the miracle that surrounds us, that is in us, that is us.

Look at how these simple negatives of the landscape compel you to remember that we are on a planet:

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. . . and we have fabricated wondrous things that glide around on its surface:

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. . . and the natural features of this planet are quite inspiring in their own right, they are children of the stars:

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and the smayell of cow piss coulda justabout knock a buzzard offer shit wagon:

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Fortunately, the air cleared and cooled as I got to the top of the pass:

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Back into the vast solitude of the mountain vistas went I, looking for a decent camping stop. But the BobD had another plan. It had begun to give me some Hot Start Catatonia sometimes all the way back to Ohio, but this desert heat seemed to exacerbate the symptoms. Now I was proud to show perfect strangers how to hand push-start a VW in four feet before it could even leave the gas island, but it was getting old (so am I), so I bought a relay from Checkers Auto Parts in Holbrook AZ. I thought, "dang, this better be discrete and tidy on a fresh original VW."
So I plugged in the OEM #50 starter solenoid spade terminal right into the hot start relay, then tried to figure out how to mount it. No original wiring was harmed in this project (it failed the next day outside of Albuquerque):

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Went to O'Reilly's in Albuquerque where the counterperson tried to tell me, even with the prior day's receipt from Holbrook in his paw, that the relay looked like it had been on the car a "long long time, man". I told him very politely that there is no evidence of bolt or screw contact on the mounting flange NOW IS THERE? YA WANT TO CALL THE HOLBROOK STORE AND TALK TO MARTA THE MANAGER HUH? SHE'LL REMEMBER OUR CHAT ABOUT CHINESE VS AMERICAN JUNK! WELL? So he gave me a new relay, and I plastic tied this one in to assist in a quick-release removal when it too, fails.
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Post by airkooledchris » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:02 am

those relays always failed on my vanagon as well, had to carry a spare for the eventual death. since removed completely..

once it failed where upon trying to start it just kept the starter cranking forever, key out of the ignition even... had to throw the battery switch to off to remove and replace (thankfully killing the battery power was easily done )

I dont think they respond well to mother nature, hiding up under the van like that. needs some kind of weatherproof enclosure, an interior location to mount or much better craftsmanship.
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Post by hambone » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:38 am

How could such a "young" engine etc. have hot start issues? Isn't that a problem with "old buses put back into service after being chicken coops?"
Is this more of a FI issue due to the need for more elctricity?
I have only had this issue once, on an old beetle that needed a new starter. Oh and a 6V Beetle that really needed to be re-wired.
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Post by dtrumbo » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:15 am

I don't think it has anything to do with the engine. It has to do with the amount of current the starter solenoid requires versus the age/condition of the wiring and the start position of the ignition switch.
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Post by Sylvester » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:45 am

I had to do this on my 64 Bug as well. It always had starting issues.
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Post by sped372 » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:13 am

Added one of these to the Ghia a few weeks back. I was worried it was sacrilege... I feel better now.
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Post by Amskeptic » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:29 pm

sped372 wrote:Added one of these to the Ghia a few weeks back. I was worried it was sacrilege... I feel better now.
I think it is specifically an issue with the solenoid itself. You can always cure it with a new starter. When I switched to a Bosch reduction gear starter on the Road warrior, that half-million-mile 36 year-old wiring was jess fan.
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BobD - 1978 Bus . . . . . . . . . . . 112,660 miles
Chloe - 1970 bus . . . . . . . . . . . 206,845 miles
Naranja - 1977 Westfalia . . . . . 112,885 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,570 miles
Alexus - 1991 Lexus LS400 . . . 78,899 miles

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Post by Hippie » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:48 pm

I got four years on my relay. Prolly jinxed it now.
The bus acted up in the heat too - in Lincoln Nebraska on the way back fron NM.
Heat is bad for starters, I guess. I figured it was the ignition switch that got tired of drawing like 30 amps.

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