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Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:36 am
by Kubelwagen
Had a party/engine install last night and got the spare into my rig. All hooked up, but no starty starty. No power to the fuel pump and no power to the coil. So, we've got something hooked up incorrectly, but we couldn't see what it was in the gathering twilight.

Also, the shift linkage has gotten all fubar so we'll have to sort that out in daylight as well. But hey the engine is in! =D>

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:47 am
by Mike Boell
Yeah,
I waved at you as you zipped down the 205 South.

WestyFrank was also over helping but I had to leave @10:00.
I am also interested in an update.
Mike

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:09 am
by Kubelwagen
See update right before your post. Looks like we have some noodling to do on wiring and shift linkage.

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:04 pm
by mentalQtip
Good Going MIke K. I'm near the same place of getting an engine in the yellow bus. So near but so far. and yes, I could use some input and I'll make sure beer is present.

Joseph

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:21 pm
by Mike Boell
Joseph,
Post a work day date on your thread and I'll certainly see about coming out to help.
Mike

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:57 pm
by Kubelwagen
Well, Troy at Clackamas says I will need to have the case line bored and that one needs to send out to California to have that done.

Anybody know of a way to do that closer? Looks like I will not be building my case with Colin after all.

I guess the first question is should I do this at all? Will a bored case even be worth the effort? Gene Berg seems to say no.

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:59 pm
by Kubelwagen
And the donor engine runs! Daylight revealed the wiring snafu with the double relay and a missing ground. Little rough fiddling with the timing and she started right up.

:cheers:

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:03 am
by mamasunshine
Woo-hoo! Looks like I missed all the fun! Was committed to family stuff on Memorial Day when you hollered last. Not in the habit of checking in with the forum yet. Holler again via text if you all are gonna have another tinker/work/here hold this day. Seems like a lot of work making the CA-Federal line up, but a really interesting process. If nothing else I can take the pics everyone is sorely missing. Good going guys!

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:00 am
by SlowLane
Kubelwagen wrote:Well, Troy at Clackamas says I will need to have the case line bored and that one needs to send out to California to have that done.

Anybody know of a way to do that closer? Looks like I will not be building my case with Colin after all.

I guess the first question is should I do this at all? Will a bored case even be worth the effort? Gene Berg seems to say no.
How much do you trust Troy at Clackamas' opinion? Is it based on his vast experience with type 1 engines which infallibly inform him that all engines of this vintage automatically require a line-bore? Or did he actually use precision measuring tools to gauge the roundness and trueness of your case main bores?

Before sending your case off to get line-bored, you should make sure that you can source quality over-sized bearings for it first. I expect Raby would be your best bet there.

Gene Berg was exclusively interested in type 1 engines. The wisdom he gained from working on them doesn't necessarily translate to the type IV.

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:20 am
by Kubelwagen
Troy has a good rep locally and did, it is said, do the measurements. Halsey has bearings in various sizes but I'm not sure in quality.

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:41 am
by tristessa
SlowLane wrote:Gene Berg was exclusively interested in type 1 engines. The wisdom he gained from working on them doesn't necessarily translate to the type IV.
Berg was very conservative in his views at times. As long as it's done correctly (no jig-on-a-hand-drill crap), a line-bored T1 case is fine, as evidenced by the thousands upon thousands of line-bored T1 engines collectively running for millions upon millions of miles all across the world. Quite a few of them are even hopped-up high-power engines running compression ratios higher than 7.5:1 (a Berg no-no) with standard-style combustion chambers not semi-hemi heads (another Berg no-no) and 94MM cylinders (yet ANOTHER Berg no-no).

Don't get me wrong, Gene did a *LOT* to forward the VW engine and taught us all plenty. I have nothing but respect for the man and his work. That said, some things actually *have* changed since "the day", and we *must* learn to adapt to currently-available parts, fuels, lubricants etc. if we're going to keep these vehicles alive into the future.

Troy was probably referring to Rimco, FWIW. Never dealt with them personally, but I know people who've had cases line-bored by them for decades without issue.

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:30 am
by Gypsie
I gue$$ the real que$tion i$...how many $macker$?

I would be curious to know what the measurements were. I would not be surprised that it would need it considering you had a piston that was in and out of the game causing all sorts of havoc in there.

Main Bearings hit the market last year, or so, after being unobtanium for a while. Raby snatched up a major share though others also laid up some. Check around for pricing while you are adding up costs for consideration.

pricing may lead you to considering alternatives:
http://www.westcoastcore.com/servlet/th ... OCK/Detail
http://www.busdepot.com/071100627
http://jcsvwparts.com/portfolio/all-bus ... 00-2100cc/

I think it will come out pretty much about the same as machining your case and assembling the quality parts you want (whereas a long block will have potentially questionable parts...).

I've been right where you are at, brother.

Here's to hoping that your swap has some life in her.

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:49 am
by dtrumbo
Give Jerry at Northwest Connecting Rod a call. (206) 763-2487. He's in Seattle (closer than California), does excellent machine work and, above all, is honest. You certainly won't regret at least a phone call.

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:00 pm
by tristessa
A motor from West Coast Core I wouldn't even trust as far as I could throw it, check their reviews.

Last time I checked, Bus Depot was selling AVP rebuilds. My 2.0L was an AVP rebuild .. remember Maupin '09? I don't, other than laying under my Bus all weekend and having to get towed home.

Never heard of JCS.

Never heard anything but good about NW Connecting Rod.

Re: Kubelwagen's engine meltdown

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:05 pm
by Kubelwagen
NW Connecting Rod number is out of service and there's no website.

Rimco is indeed the place, was hoping they would do a core deposit on my case and ship me a machined one but no dice.