the artic ice is melting!

[hambone]

I wasn't trying to be a dick. It just seems crazy that the Protestants and the Catholics are at it again, and there will be no resolution. It is a waste of time and creates Great Ripples in the Force.
I said it before, encouragement and support go much farther than hostile rhetoric. We already have an overflow of the latter in this age so let's do what we can to make life better for the people of Earth, so they can go on to bigger and better things. A person or system out of balance is not fully functional, and the results are usually equally dysfunctional.
Or: th' hell with who pooped in the bathtub, let's roll up our sleeves and clean th' sucker up.
Can't we agree to disagree and move on?

[ruckman101]

ok.


neal

[blatzer]

environmentalism is/isn't religion

[turk]

it's an ism.

[Velokid1]

environmentalism is/isn't religion

This post is/isn't a statement/question./?

Velokid/Unvelokid

[turk]

If it's not a religion it ought to be based on something that doesn't take faith to believe in it. Something tangible and irrefutable, like the fact fossil fuels burn and create energy. That is a fact. Our lives are made easier, and better with that. The fact is the rest of the planet's human inhabitants may well do the same to improve their lot. Technology moves forward. Our understanding of Climate Science does too, we hope. With scant evidence of a looming disaster, governmental instruments applied only redistribute wealth, assuming the problem is accurately defined. It doesn't insure new inventions and technology. It is old school authoritarian control. Religion, in the sense of "a better" way to move "forward", without proof of said coming catastrophe seems an apropos category for the "Global Climate Disruption" believers.

[DjEep]

If it's not a religion it ought to be based on something that doesn't take faith to believe in it. Something tangible and irrefutable, like the fact fossil fuels burn and create energy. That is a fact. Our lives are made easier, and better with that. The fact is the rest of the planet's human inhabitants may well do the same to improve their lot. Technology moves forward. Our understanding of Climate Science does too, we hope. With scant evidence of a looming disaster, governmental instruments applied only redistribute wealth, assuming the problem is accurately defined. It doesn't insure new inventions and technology. It is old school authoritarian control. Religion, in the sense of "a better" way to move "forward", without proof of said coming catastrophe seems an apropos category for the "Global Climate Disruption" believers.

Do you believe in molecular theory? I've never seen a molecule, and computers can be made to show what we want from the data we give them depending on programming. So I take it on faith that we are made up of little molecules.

Science is religion as much as anything else. It just does a better job of showing it's tenets in a believable way.

Irrefutable does not exist.

[turk]

I don't agree with that. Refute molecules. Refute the earth being a sphere. Refute you can't swim down 3,000 feet in the ocean and take a nap.

[ruckman101]

If the earth were round, levels would be pointless. And we certainly have levels, don't want our buidings rounded. All the balls in a gym would roll to the corners.


neal

[turk]

I like yer refutation but you know it's a sphere for other reasons. The ones you pointed to have been explained by Joe Science.

[ruckman101]

I must have cherry-picked my data set.


neal

[turk]

Yup. Like the rest of the "proof" you claim you brought. Like the "consensus", and the yahoo news reports of severe weather ravaging some places. I pointed out the 3,000 year records of the Indus Valley flooding periodically, and the peat fires burning in Russia as a natural cycle exacerbated by draining them for mining and agriculture - read not carbon emissions.

[blatzer]

judge them by the trail of dead- it's now called global climate disruption- point being if your product is toxic and/or a fiction and the people are getting wise to the fact, just change the name, the same way that high fructose corn syrup is now called corn sugar




(does anyone else care to chime in?)

[ruckman101]

I'm not sure the ploy is working all that well for Blackwater, ahem, Xe.


neal

[Amskeptic]

With scant evidence of a looming disaster, governmental instruments applied only redistribute wealth.

You should look more closely at China. They are jumping right past us in their acceptance of green technology. They are becoming l-e-a-d-e-r-s while we sit in the quagmire of fossil-fuel dinosaurs arguing over who is redistributing the wealth where. I had mentioned previously, turk, that every step we took to mitigate fossil fuel burning would not only hedge the bet against human-induced global climate change, but would be good for us in a myriad of ways. Yet, here we are losing the leadership to a culture that does not worry about "governmental instruments that redistribute the wealth". Under your nose, turk, the looming disaster of corporate greed has sucked our people desperately dry and poorly educated to boot and seriously damaged our own culture's innovativeness and sense of the Possible. Meanwhile China is now the top producer of solar panels and windmills, the intellectual drain is actually beginning to go to China where they are experimenting with city layouts and traffic mitigation and pollution-control technology with growing scope and vision. That's where the jobs are too. Not us. We have John Boehner and Mitch McConnell and Sarah Palin, loons the lot of them squawking the same old ridiculous claptrap that has only accellerated our looming disaster of mediocrity. It is a damn shame. The people who refuse to interpret the science of global warming are the very same people who do not understand that you do not control a deficit by this insane refusal to bring tax rates back to where they once were when we did have a grip on Reality. So in fact, we are losing jobs and tax revenue. Nice job, idiots.
Colin