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I agree. Our reasoning to be involved in Vietnam was flawed to say the least. After France had their asses handed to them by Hanoi, you'd of thought we'd of taken note. Instead, our arrogant American military thought we'd simply bomb them back to the stone ages. The problem was, they were already living in the stone ages like in Afghanistan. Couple this with the horrific Johnson administration oversite of the war to include not bombing the harbor where the Russians were off loading the armaments to be used against us. God forbide we upset the Russians.Amskeptic wrote:. . . and that is the key to any lasting victory. We did have truth on our side.wcfvw69 wrote: By 1943, the Americans were in the game full force. America had it's immense war industry hitting on 8 cylinders and the outcome of the war against the Germans and Japanese was all but over.
. . . we did not have truth on our side in Vietnam, or Iraq, and that is what pisses me off the very deepest about the damage to our young soldiers, to our treasury, to our good name, to this very moment.
I'd read many places where we were only involved in that war due to a slumping economy vs. stopping the progression of communism. Everyone knows wars are good for an economy.
Steve Ambrose wrote a book about Eisenhower called the Supreme Commander. It's a tedious read. It followed Eisenhowers progression thru WWII. In it, it talks in length about the middle east politics back in the early 40's. It was quite shocking in reading it and realizing nothings changed in that region in the 75 years since. Yes, they are no longer colonies of countries but the politics and how those folks view and run things will never change.
Our big mistake in Iraq was made by the first Bush. He should of gotten Sudam back in 1990. We had all the assets there and the region wasn't as f-up as it is now. I think the second Bush cleaned up his Daddy's mistake for him. I do believe we needed to remove Sudam from power. I don't believe we needed to get bogged down in that mess for as long as we did, costing so many American lives and wasting sooo much tax payer dollars. There is an Irony that we attacked Iraq with our economy is a deep recession post 911. Coincidence?
Thank the Norten bomb site for it's not as advertised accuracy. :) Imagine if we bombed that plant with today's bombs and missiles? YIKES!Amskeptic wrote:p.s. thank God the gunner missed the power plant at the Wolfsburg plant, huh? He was pissed, was it an itchy nose? but he missed and it gave us Volkswagens by the millions)