Ron Paul's 2012 Campaign

BellePlaine · Post by **BellePlaine** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:56 am

I'm interested to hear any debate regarding inaccuracies with this video. I want to learn the whole story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0 ... e=youtu.be

Post by **Amskeptic** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:27 am

BellePlaine wrote:I'm interested to hear any debate regarding inaccuracies with this video. I want to learn the whole story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0 ... e=youtu.be

I am familiar with the facts presented in the video. I agree wholeheartedly with the definition of "blowback". The history of our foreign policy in regards to propping up despots and dictators who "further our (corporate) interests" has been immoral and indefensible and profoundly damaging.

I am happy to see Ron Paul put this on the table. I would love to see this topic gain traction during the election season.

Unfortunately, I do not agree with much of the rest of Ron Paul's platform.
Colin

BellePlaine · Post by **BellePlaine** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:11 am

Thanks for your reply.

steve74baywin · Post by **steve74baywin** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:17 pm

I will have to watch it, but I so far I haven't found any inaccuracy in anything RP says.

BellePlaine · Post by **BellePlaine** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:43 pm

Isn't it perplexing the degree of pushback from seemingly everywhere to the notion that we should not get involved in these foreign entanglements? I just wonder if I don't understand some greater common sense. Look at the map, each star is a U.S. military base. Would we not be a bit testy if Iran had military bases in North America all along our boarder?

ruckman101 · Post by **ruckman101** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:30 pm

But we're the good guys, right?

neal

Sylvester · Post by **Sylvester** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:35 pm

BellePlaine wrote:Look at the map, each star is a U.S. military base.

Say I have been to four of those bases.

steve74baywin · Post by **steve74baywin** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:05 am

But we're the good guys, right?

Strong sarcasm--Shouldn't we all happily let them tax us for the greater good that they do?
Maybe I could make a hypnosis CD for the government to use. It could go something like this.
Yes, close yours, let the bad not be seen, or let it be seen as good, yes, the greater good, see the money they take via the threat of jail from you as a good thing, be happy, happily think you give the money to them, close eyes, do not see the bad, it is all good, it is the greater good, for the greater good.....Something else knows more than you, so close yours, see it as good, evil is good, bad is good, great numbers killed for the greater good because the greater good controllers are the greater good.

Post by **Amskeptic** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:06 am

steve74baywin wrote:
But we're the good guys, right?
Strong sarcasm--Shouldn't we all happily let them tax us for the greater good that they do?
Maybe I could make a hypnosis CD for the government to use. It could go something like this.
Yes, close yours, let the bad not be seen, or let it be seen as good, yes, the greater good, see the money they take via the threat of jail from you as a good thing, be happy, happily think you give the money to them, close eyes, do not see the bad, it is all good, it is the greater good, for the greater good.....Something else knows more than you, so close yours, see it as good, evil is good, bad is good, great numbers killed for the greater good because the greater good controllers are the greater good.

The words I highlighted above are the reason I find it extremely difficult to converse with you. I cannot engage in a conversation with someone who distills nuance to extremes.

Real adults understand that there are trade-offs and compromises surrounding them. A family also has "greater good" issues when individual members have to check their individual desires. You might even demand of your child that he/she participates against their will occasionally, or contribute financially (oh no, a tax) towards a shared family goal.

Real adults are not especially happy with the current state of affairs in the governing of this country, but they do not disparage the entire concept of our government.
Colin

ruckman101 · Post by **ruckman101** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:10 pm

That pesky media's feeding on Ron Paul now. We're getting a peek at his roots. "I didn't write it, I disavow it." Yet he penned his name to it.

neal

BellePlaine · Post by **BellePlaine** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:25 pm

ruckman101 wrote:That pesky media's feeding on Ron Paul now. We're getting a peak at his roots. "I didn't write it, I disavow it." Yet he penned his name to it.

neal

The guy says that he didn’t write those things. These racist ramblings go against everything that he has written or said about race, sexual preference, whatever. To accuse such principled and consistent person who is a champion for individual rights of having hateful racist feelings 20+ years ago just doesn’t jive. I don’t think the media is going to fool too many or hurt Ron Paul over these newletters, do you?

ruckman101 · Post by **ruckman101** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:45 pm

I think it points to a pattern of bluntness that has been toned at this point. Most likely he didn't write those things, others did that were then published in his newsletter in order to stoke fear and solicit a wider subscription base. I find it incredulous that he would have been unaware of the content he was essentially signing off on.

Has he reformed? Changed his ways? Admirable if so, but those are some pretty deep roots, thus reform is suspect in my book. Twenty years is a young lifetime ago, so that the attention it's now getting does strike me as opportunistically petty, but the mindset of the material is disturbing to say the least.

neal

BellePlaine · Post by **BellePlaine** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:58 pm

Paul has owned up that he should have known, however, I think that if we hold Paul accountable to what others have said in his association then we have to apply that same standard to Obama regarding Rev. Wright and anything I say to the moderators of this forum. Even though there is a connection, it's easy to see that on the face of it Paul says that he doesn't have racist feelings and has a history of acting on behalf of minorities.

Besides, the dude uses the word "love" in his campaign logo!

BellePlaine · Post by **BellePlaine** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:00 pm

ruckman101 wrote: Has he reformed? Changed his ways?

neal

No because he has never had those feelings/sediments.

ruckman101 · Post by **ruckman101** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:24 pm

With Rev Wright, we saw that rhetoric to some is hatin' on America to others. Kind of like the socialist label gets used. Are there similarities? I don't think so, other than timing and motive. Obviously others disagree.

I also take it with a grain of salt, twenty years ago, etc., but I find it disturbing, so apparently my grain of salt is very small.

neal

Itinerant Air-Cooled

Itinerant Air-Cooled

Ron Paul's 2012 Campaign

Ron Paul's 2012 Campaign

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

Re: Ron Paul's Foreign Policy