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Donald Trump And The Republic

Post by Amskeptic » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:01 am

It honestly scares me that Donald Trump still has serious support amongst my fellow Americans. I know him as a fellow New Yorker who piled into his real estate goings-on, and I do not believe in the slightest that a Texas rancher, or a West Virginia coal miner or an Ohio auto worker would have given him the time of day had he shown up as a New York real estate developer. "Hi!" No, power was annointed upon his head by a system distorted by money. Money is not red, money is not blue, money is green.

I have discussed it at length with many members of this forum and with customers at Itinerant Air-Cooled appointments. These discussions start off by disengaging from our political affiliations, by promising each other that this is half time, not red or blue call to colors.

There are some folks who find it difficult to disengage from their team to just look at the American landscape as it is. We are, we are in this together. There are now trigger words that can speed out ahead of a conversation and make foregone conclusions that are just completely wrong about the person standing face-to-face with us. Stop it already.

How can you go to a corporate retreat and discuss "collaboration" "compromise" "synergy" "mutual respect" "actionable plans" in the service of making money, but we can't do the same for the direction of this country?

What on Earth happened to us? Why am I now utterly embarrassed to converse with a child about their future participation in this Experiment of Democracy?

We have to step up and collaborate, compromise, work together with mutual respect, and try to save this country from what is incontrovertibly our lowest moment in modern history.
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Post by Amskeptic » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:50 am

Who here is keeping abreast of the Impeachment Proceedings?

Who here has an opinion of the Impeachment Proceedings?

Who here was alive during the Watergate Hearings?

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Post by Bleyseng » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:30 am

Watching the hearings when I can.
I think they have caught Trump redhanded and Pence is also caught up in this sooo now what? I don't think the GOP Senate will do anything soo Censure of Trump is what will happen. There is no way Trump and Pence will be kicked out of office.
Yes, I was alive then and the GOP had a big hand in stopping Nixon unlike today where the GOP only cares about staying in Power and passing laws to benefit the Rich.
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Post by skip » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:05 pm

Here's some insight from 20 years ago. Listen to George Carlin (5:34 to 35:24).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0ZHso ... _rel_pause
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Post by airkooledchris » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:16 pm

The only thing I can see gained from the impeachment is not being able to be pardoned anymore, because the Senate will just fall in line like they did once T was elected. They are decidedly Ride or Die, and they pretty much have to be. If you are on the right and you don't fall in lock step with your dear leader these days, T will start an all out war with you and your political career will soon be over.

I do believe Trumps talking point that this will just further push him to be elected again. He can literally do anything he wants, because he can turn around and keep holding his ego stroking rally's where he feeds his base all the nuggets of 'us Vs them' he can dish out.

While the nation started splitting a little further apart during the Obama era, due to all of the hardcore rhetoric against him during his time in office - now that the president himself is posting tweet wars like a 16 year old daily, the Us Vs Them battle went from 7 to a solid 10 almost nonstop.

As for the impeachment, I don't know how to feel about it. I think it does more harm to the Democrats chance at getting rid of him next year, but the bootlickers are already frothing at the mouth to get him in office it may not make as much of a difference as it feels like right now. The die hard supporters already showed that they literally don't care what he does or to whom, if it pisses off those Libtards and Hollywood Elite's they keep hearing about then they are all in on it - even if they are really the ones taking it up the ass policy-wise.
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Post by Amskeptic » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:38 pm

airkooledchris wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:16 pm
A) I do believe Trumps talking point that this will just further push him to be elected again.

B) As for the impeachment, I don't know how to feel about it. I think it does more harm to the Democrats chance at getting rid of him next year,

a) It may excite the base, and it may lead to more turnout amongst his supporters.
However, he did lose by 3 million popular votes, and the midterms showed us mightily what turnout amongst the democrats and independents looks like - at this point, I beg of the journalists and pundits and my fellow Americans to stop trying to cater to Trump's hard-core supporters!
No.
Inspire a record turn out. Because of sneaky gerrymanders and voting restrictions, the opposition to Trump actually needs to carry a majority by 6 million votes to overcome the Electoral College handicap.

b) I am of the mind that this proceeding is now well past political consideration. It is now in the realm of our foundational fealty to the Rule of Law.
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