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Post by bretski » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:28 am

DurocShark wrote:Cool, thanks. So the Guac has an auto ecu? Odd. Musta been a PO replacement.
That's what I was thinking, too...PO replacement. My understanding is that a manual can utilize an auto ECU with no ill-effects, but not the other way around.

You did check your coil a while back, and ruled that out, right? I can't remember.
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Post by DurocShark » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:48 am

Well, I have two different coils, both performing exactly the same. I have trouble believing two different coils would have the exact same symptoms.

I've also got two distributors, one with points and one with Compufire.

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Post by DurocShark » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:05 am

Dunno if this helps anybody, but I gots pics:

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Post by bretski » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:09 am

DurocShark wrote:Well, I have two different coils, both performing exactly the same. I have trouble believing two different coils would have the exact same symptoms.

I've also got two distributors, one with points and one with Compufire.
You checked the resistance on both coils, right?

Primary Resistance 1.0 ohms, 1.3 ohms
Secondary Resistance 10.6K ohms, 8.95K ohms
Those are the numbers for black and blue, respectively.

What about continuity on the injector wire from the coil?
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Post by DurocShark » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:51 am

bretski wrote:
DurocShark wrote:Well, I have two different coils, both performing exactly the same. I have trouble believing two different coils would have the exact same symptoms.

I've also got two distributors, one with points and one with Compufire.
You checked the resistance on both coils, right?

Primary Resistance 1.0 ohms, 1.3 ohms
Secondary Resistance 10.6K ohms, 8.95K ohms
Those are the numbers for black and blue, respectively.

What about continuity on the injector wire from the coil?
They are both within 20% of those numbers.

continuity is fine, but there's no way to test it when it's failing. I'm wondering if there's some crosstalk, abrasion, etc, in the wiring harness. I pulled it so I can strip off the jackets and do a more thorough inspection.

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Post by DurocShark » Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:39 pm

Note to self: Never assume a previous test is valid. If all symptoms point to a part failure, and it tested good in the past, test it again.

I checked continuity and resistance on every wire in the FI wiring harness. Good continuity and resistance in all but one wire was way under 1 ohm. The one wire is the ground for the CSV caused by a bad crimp connector. Resistance was 3.5 ohms. Aside from the fact that wouldn't cause my issues, I repaired it.

While I had my new fancy meter out, I grabbed the Bosch blue coil off the shelf. Secondary still tested good. Primary, however... 3.5.

CRAP!

Pulled the stock black coil off the bus. Similar results... 3.4.

Two bad coils at once?!?!?!?! With the same test failure? Arrrggghhh!!!

I now need to get my hands on another coil. Sigh.

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Post by bretski » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:19 pm

Well, at least you're making headway...I'd let you borrow my spare if you were closer.

Get yerself out to Bandimere...bet you could find a coil at the swap meet!
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Post by DurocShark » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:20 pm

I think I'm gonna go buy an AZ crapalicious coil. Just to see if it makes a difference.

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Post by DurocShark » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:01 pm

Doesn't matter.

New coil from AZ. Same symptoms.

The only thing left is the AFM. :(

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Post by DurocShark » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:02 pm

BTW: Where did you get those coil specs? The computer at AZ said 3.0-4.0.

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Post by bretski » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:40 pm

DurocShark wrote:BTW: Where did you get those coil specs? The computer at AZ said 3.0-4.0.
From Ratwell's site. Bummer it didn't do the trick.
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Post by Westy78 » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:47 pm

Haven't read the whole thread but have you tested the pin resistance on the AFM?
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Post by RSorak 71Westy » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:51 am

The fact the tach is jumping all over the place tells me this is an ignition problem, quit wasting time looking at the FI.
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Post by DurocShark » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:19 pm

Update: I got my hands on an ECU from another bus. Same symptoms.

Wiring tested fine. All leads in the harness were well under 1 ohm, except for one (unrelated) that was 3 due to a bad crimp connector. I repaired it, then reinstalled the wiring, but I re-routed a few things so there was less tension on the wires. The stall seemed to go away.

I still have a wacky tach (digital and analog) where the needle and numbers bounce all over, and I still have bad misfiring.

Coil tests showed good for primary and secondary resistance. Just in case, I picked up a new crapalicious coil from AZ. No change. Crapaliciousness returned to AZ.

I tested the AFM resistance as mentioned above:

Pins - expected - actual:
6/9 400, 308
6/8 260, 199
8/9 70-140, 111
6/7 40-300, 58
7/8 100-500, 169
TS1 6/27 2800 max, 1772

A bit low on the first two, but I don't know what, if anything, that means.

I pulled both of my caps and did close inspections for burns and cracks. None found. I grabbed all 4 of my rotors, and found an unmarked black one with 4.5 ohms of resistance instead of the 5.5-ish of the Bosch ones. I tossed that in there and at least parked, the misfiring seems to have gone away.

I'm going for a test drive now, just waiting for the cops to leave who pulled someone over right in front of my house.

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Post by bretski » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:31 pm

A shot in the dark, since I'm still pretty convinced this is an ignition problem:
What is the condition of the plug/coil wires? Ever replaced them since you acquired the Guac?
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