79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by Amskeptic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:41 am

rallybug wrote:Continuity search will be tomorrow's task, I think - the fact that it was running great leads to the Bentley diagram not being right for this bus, somehow, so I'm more inclined to believe the wire(s) at fault.
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by rallybug » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:14 am

Doing baby stuff has intervened lol

All I have still is that the red/black and brown/white wires to the distributor aren't showing continuity - still have to work out why. I might get a chance today...
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by airkooledchris » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:50 pm

how about now?
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by rallybug » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:51 pm

Took the harness out, removed the sheathing, all the wires looked OK, re-checked the continuity and now I have continuity *scratches head* Still won't start.
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by airkooledchris » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:15 pm

what do you need in order to try out the federal style?

do you have a federal coil but no distributor, or vise versa, or need both?

if you want to pay shipping, ill pack up my spare dist/coil and send it over to aid in the troubleshooting process.

after some more fiddling with mine it finally fired up, so im confident I can roll with the electronic setup on this project 79 for a little while.
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by Amskeptic » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:23 pm

rallybug wrote:Took the harness out, removed the sheathing, all the wires looked OK, re-checked the continuity and now I have continuity *scratches head* Still won't start.
After fully and confidently assuring yourself that yes, indeed, you have continuity with everything plugged in, can you revisit the Bentley troubleshooting procedure?

Again, I will rant that any troubleshooting procedure that states "substitute with known good unit" or "damage will occur in less than five seconds" is a procedure for components that I do not want to play with in an air-cooled VW.

Just started the BobD this afternoon after a five month sit. Immediate, smooth,
that's the Kettering Ignition System Way!

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Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by airkooledchris » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:06 pm

Because Philbin has been impossible to get my distributor back from, and because im anxious to try and get this thing started for the first time in forever - I think im going to switch back to my points setup for now.

I just wanted to confirm - the only thing I need to swap out is the coil correct?

I have that same points setup dist and blue coil that I sent Rallybug to troubleshoot his.
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by Amskeptic » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:45 am

airkooledchris wrote:Because Philbin has been impossible to get my distributor back from, and because im anxious to try and get this thing started for the first time in forever - I think im going to switch back to my points setup for now.

I just wanted to confirm - the only thing I need to swap out is the coil correct?

I have that same points setup dist and blue coil that I sent Rallybug to troubleshoot his.
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Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by airkooledchris » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:47 am

Whelp, it runs. =) I had to do a quick refresher course on dwell, it's been a while! It ran like crap initially, so I pulled the distributor and replaced and gapped the points and replaced the condenser. It now idles really well. I just need to fiddle with things to get it just right, but that's for a different thread.

Philbin is going to FINALLY send me back my electronic 79CA distributor, after weeks of back and forth calls to re-re-reconfirm that im fine with the retard line on the vacuum can being dead. (they can't get a new one and can't find anyone to rebuild it.) - I had been pushing to please install just a simple vacuum can in it's place so I don't have that giant one in there anymore but Tony is apparently hard of hearing and never got the message (or didn't want to hear it) so they are sending it back with the bad retard but good advance vacuum can on it.
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by Amskeptic » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:18 am

airkooledchris wrote:Whelp, it runs. =) I had to do a quick refresher course on dwell, it's been a while! It ran like crap initially, so I pulled the distributor and replaced and gapped the points and replaced the condenser. It now idles really well. I just need to fiddle with things to get it just right, but that's for a different thread.

Philbin is going to FINALLY send me back my electronic 79CA distributor, after weeks of back and forth calls to re-re-reconfirm that im fine with the retard line on the vacuum can being dead. (they can't get a new one and can't find anyone to rebuild it.) - I had been pushing to please install just a simple vacuum can in it's place so I don't have that giant one in there anymore but Tony is apparently hard of hearing and never got the message (or didn't want to hear it) so they are sending it back with the bad retard but good advance vacuum can on it.
The dual advance cans are drying up, says Philbin?

Check EBay where there are NOS dual advance cans for $42.00 + shipping. I think I might need to grab a couple for the VWs that really need them, which many online vendors gloss over.
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BobD - 78 Bus . . . 112,730 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles

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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by airkooledchris » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:46 am

Doesn't it matter *which* dual can you use though?

Mine, which is stock for the 79CA Bus:
Vacuum Can: 07 163
Timing Set At:: 5deg ATDC @ 800-950 rpm
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 11-13deg Adv @ 9.4 In. Hg, 11-13deg Ret @ 9.4 In. Hg;
Centrifugal: 9-13deg @ 1600 rpm, 12-16deg @ 2800 rpm, 21-25deg @ 3600 rpm

Some of the NOS units on eBay currently:

Vacuum Can: 07 127
Timing Set At:: 5deg ATDC @ 900-1000 rpm
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 3-7deg Adv @ 6.3 In. Hg, 11-13deg Ret @ 8.2 In. Hg;
Centrifugal: 11-17deg @ 2000 rpm, 21-25deg @ 3600 rpm

Vacuum Can: 07 126
Timing Set At:: 0deg TDC @ 800-950rpm
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 8-12deg Adv, 6-8deg Ret;
Centrifugal: 6-11deg @ 1500rpm, 20-23deg @ 3500rpm

Vacuum Can: 07 116
Timing Set At:: 5deg ATDC @ 800-950rpm
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 9-12deg Adv, 11-13deg Ret;
Centrifugal: 9-14deg @ 2000rpm, 21-25deg @ 3400 rpm

Vacuum Can: 07 100
Timing Set At: 5deg BTDC @ 800-950rpm
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 8-12deg Adv, 9-10deg Ret;
Centrifugal: 11-16deg @ 1800rpm, 19-23deg @ 4000rpm
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Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

Post by asiab3 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:43 pm

Amskeptic wrote: Check EBay where there are NOS dual advance cans for $42.00 + shipping. I think I might need to grab a couple for the VWs that really need them, which many online vendors gloss over.
Colin
If those are from Cyprus, Greece, be aware that mine "didn't show up" last year and the seller refused to communicate with me after I asked for a tracking number or refund. Just make sure you file a PayPal dispute before the 45 day grace period is up.

airkooledchris wrote:Doesn't it matter *which* dual can you use though?
    It does, but all the ones you listed seem to be reasonably compatible with a T4 setup. Some are better than others, but you can compare them fairly easily to the specs for your engine/distributor from Old Volks Home.
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    Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

    Post by airkooledchris » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:07 am

    I was thinking that this one might be close enough....

    Vacuum Can: 07 116
    Timing Set At:: 5deg ATDC @ 800-950rpm
    Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 9-12deg Adv, 11-13deg Ret;
    Centrifugal: 9-14deg @ 2000rpm, 21-25deg @ 3400 rpm

    Vs Stock:

    Vacuum Can: 07 163
    Timing Set At:: 5deg ATDC @ 800-950 rpm
    Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 11-13deg Adv, 11-13deg Ret
    Centrifugal: 9-13deg @ 1600 rpm, 12-16deg @ 2800 rpm, 21-25deg @ 3600 rpm



    BUT - this is that same seller. Did you wait too long to file your dispute and lose the money as a result?
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    Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

    Post by Amskeptic » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:32 am

    airkooledchris wrote:I was thinking that this one might be close enough....

    Vacuum Can: 07 116
    Timing Set At:: 5deg ATDC @ 800-950rpm
    Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 9-12deg Adv, 11-13deg Ret;
    Centrifugal: 9-14deg @ 2000rpm, 21-25deg @ 3400 rpm

    Vs Stock:

    Vacuum Can: 07 163
    Timing Set At:: 5deg ATDC @ 800-950 rpm
    Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 11-13deg Adv, 11-13deg Ret
    Centrifugal: 9-13deg @ 1600 rpm, 12-16deg @ 2800 rpm, 21-25deg @ 3600 rpm



    BUT - this is that same seller. Did you wait too long to file your dispute and lose the money as a result?
    Every day I am reminded why I despise human animals. So, yeah, if the seller is an actual fricken human being, you can modify the advance/retard by bending the post lightly in whatever direction you need to nudge it. If the advance is insufficient, you can also increase its range a tad by dremelling the limit cut-out IF you remember that every degree at the distributor is multiplied by 2 at the timing scale.

    Also remember, there are sloppy people like me who do not care what the idle timing is, so a little extra retard just gives me an excuse to add airflow, a beautiful thing in a carbureted Volkswagen, an almost irrelevant thing in a fuel injected one.
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    BobD - 78 Bus . . . 112,730 miles
    Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
    Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
    Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
    Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles

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    Re: 79 CA Hall Effect Ignition

    Post by airkooledchris » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:51 pm

    Note that Philbin still hasn't sent back my distributor. I must have called a dozen times at this point. Ive just given it another 3 weeks without contacting them to see what would happen - and NOTHING. I honestly can't suggest using them anymore.

    I'll call again tomorrow and just ask, again, to PLEASE send it back - even if they never fixed or swapped the vacuum can in any way. I don't even care if they ever really rebuild the distributor itself, I just want it back now. This Tony character they have working for them has been a huge pain in the ass to work with.
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