2 liter long block from Adrian...
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2 liter long block from Adrian...
Just got this in today...what a beautiful piece of work. Headflow Masters.
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
Clean indeed. Any sort of build specs attached? Certainly you must be pleased.Not to be crass, or bottom line oriented, but I ? ?maybe not alone in wondering the ticket for such bliss?
1975 003 Auto Westy L90D
repair!!!!aug2015
Jan/16 Bumped mixture a few notches richer. finally developing HP.
1.8L/LJet/Pertron DVDA+PertronixCompufire 42/36Ham Heads/AA 93mm pistons/barrels.Porsc.Swiv.Adjusters/CromoSteel pushrds/ Web 9550Cam/55cc chmbr.,035 squish,8.6:1CR/German Supply VWCanadaReman Rods/Schadek 26mmPump/vdo dualOP8/10#low sender/Quart Deep Sump
Backdate Htr bxs,reflanged 914 4into1. Two and three eighths inch collector,magniflow*muffler
repair!!!!aug2015
Jan/16 Bumped mixture a few notches richer. finally developing HP.
1.8L/LJet/Pertron DVDA+PertronixCompufire 42/36Ham Heads/AA 93mm pistons/barrels.Porsc.Swiv.Adjusters/CromoSteel pushrds/ Web 9550Cam/55cc chmbr.,035 squish,8.6:1CR/German Supply VWCanadaReman Rods/Schadek 26mmPump/vdo dualOP8/10#low sender/Quart Deep Sump
Backdate Htr bxs,reflanged 914 4into1. Two and three eighths inch collector,magniflow*muffler
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
What oil pump did they put on? The cover does not look like a T-4 pump cover.
Are the heads AMC? What induction are you planning on using...carbs or FI?
Are the heads AMC? What induction are you planning on using...carbs or FI?
1972 Westy tintop
2056cc T-4 - 7.8:1 CR
Weber 40mm Duals - 47.5idles, 125mains, F11 tubes, 190 Air corr., 28mm Vents
96mm AA Biral P/C's w/Hastings rings
42x36mm Heads (AMC- Headflow Masters) w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
Web Cam 73 w/matched Web lifters
S&S 4-1 exhaust w/Walker 17862 quiet-pack
Pertronix SVDA w/Pertronix module & Flamethrower 40K coil (7* initial 28* total @3200+)
NGK BP6ET plugs
002 3 rib trans
Hankook 185R14's
2056cc T-4 - 7.8:1 CR
Weber 40mm Duals - 47.5idles, 125mains, F11 tubes, 190 Air corr., 28mm Vents
96mm AA Biral P/C's w/Hastings rings
42x36mm Heads (AMC- Headflow Masters) w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
Web Cam 73 w/matched Web lifters
S&S 4-1 exhaust w/Walker 17862 quiet-pack
Pertronix SVDA w/Pertronix module & Flamethrower 40K coil (7* initial 28* total @3200+)
NGK BP6ET plugs
002 3 rib trans
Hankook 185R14's
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
Heads are AMC upgraded by Adrian, with three way angle grind on valve seats. I am a fuel injection fanatic...love the FI set up on my bus, and I've gotten to know it pretty well by now. Oil pump I noticed, too, but not certain of its origin. I had not discussed that with Adrian, but I feel confident that it will be up to the task if he installed it. We shall certainly see.
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
Is this what that oil pump looks like up close?
IF so, this might be worth reading from a post over at TS about that specific pump shown in the photo above:
FWIW, im guessing Adrian isn't the same builder as the above motor and if not - then likely isn't going that same route.That "looks" almost exactly like a cast iron melling oil pump. I have one in my collection. Beutifully built pump.....but waaaaaay to large for the engine. I used mine for a few thousand miles and had issues with low pressure.
Piledriver kn the STF did some measurements and noted when cold the output is dangerouspy high on this pump.....and when warm still puts out so much pressure that it opens the oil pressure releif valve......causing high oil temps. Ray
1979 California Transporter
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Hey, thanks for the tip. I will look into this.
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I have one in my drawer as they also leak like crazy. They are steel and the case is aluminum so the different rates of expansion cause leaks...
Geoff
77 Sage Green Westy- CS 2.0L-160,000 miles
70 Ghia vert, black, stock 1600SP,- 139,000 miles,
76 914 2.1L-Nepal Orange- 160,000+ miles
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77 Sage Green Westy- CS 2.0L-160,000 miles
70 Ghia vert, black, stock 1600SP,- 139,000 miles,
76 914 2.1L-Nepal Orange- 160,000+ miles
http://bleysengaway.blogspot.com/
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
Find, hoard, and use the OEM pumps whenever possible. This different expansion rate causing a pressure loss between the pump and the case is a true effect. There have also been "indexing" issues, where the holes don't line up.Bleyseng wrote:I have one in my drawer as they also leak like crazy. They are steel and the case is aluminum so the different rates of expansion cause leaks...
I do not personally understand why the oem pumps are replaced, they can be milled easily. The Road Warrior had a crazy old pump that none-the-less never ever turned on the oil light at idle no matter how hot it was.
Colin
BobD - 78 Bus . . . 112,730 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
OK, after the sabbatical, what is the consensus here? Replace the oil pump installed by Adrian-he calls it a 30mm-or put in my old VW oil pump? Why would Adrian, with his stellar reputation, install a pump with less than great performance ratings? What say you all?
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
Pull the cover off and see if its a steel oil pump body as that's why it leaks even with a machined O ring. I have used the Schadek pumps with success but that one is a 30mm pump which is a lot of oil pumping.
Geoff
77 Sage Green Westy- CS 2.0L-160,000 miles
70 Ghia vert, black, stock 1600SP,- 139,000 miles,
76 914 2.1L-Nepal Orange- 160,000+ miles
http://bleysengaway.blogspot.com/
77 Sage Green Westy- CS 2.0L-160,000 miles
70 Ghia vert, black, stock 1600SP,- 139,000 miles,
76 914 2.1L-Nepal Orange- 160,000+ miles
http://bleysengaway.blogspot.com/
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
When that is all that is reliably available for him, he rationalizes.Jivermo wrote:Why would Adrian, with his stellar reputation, install a pump with less than great performance ratings?
Colin
BobD - 78 Bus . . . 112,730 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
Gosh, Colin...tell me how you really feel about it...
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
It sounds like a question that should be presented to Adrian to address first.
1979 California Transporter
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Jivermo wrote:Gosh, Colin...tell me how you really feel about it...
Maybe you could tell me how you really interpreted my post . . . (?)
If the original pumps are hard to come by or take too many labor hours to validate their worthiness, perhaps Adrian has found a suitable new replacement that he uses both for advertising, "blahblah comes with new pump! blahblah etc, and to reset any service life question to "0".
Whatever the reason, there is a "rationale".
A rebuilder is in on a totally different playing field than an owner. I respect both positions. I would hate to be a Jake Raby watching my gorgeous engine go off into Yahoo Land, and I would hate to be a conscientious customer who has to blindly accept whatever decisions or compromises that come from his rebuilder. Things do happen. I've seen them.
It was my best thoughtful emotion-free guess.
I have no feeling about it.
I'll bow out of further speculation.
Colin
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BobD - 78 Bus . . . 112,730 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...
There's OG pumps all over the samba. Why compromise? Did he use your old engine as a core? It had the OG pump. I don't understand what were speculating about. Just get the OG pump. It takes 30 min to swap them out. Pack full of vasoline to aid in oil pressure on first start. Good luck.