2 liter long block from Adrian...

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2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Jivermo » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:06 pm

Just got this in today...what a beautiful piece of work. Headflow Masters.



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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Boxcar » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:48 pm

Clean indeed. Any sort of build specs attached? Certainly you must be pleased.Not to be crass, or bottom line oriented, but I ? ?maybe not alone in wondering the ticket for such bliss?
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by 72Hardtop » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:44 am

What oil pump did they put on? The cover does not look like a T-4 pump cover.

Are the heads AMC? What induction are you planning on using...carbs or FI?
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Jivermo » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:53 am

Heads are AMC upgraded by Adrian, with three way angle grind on valve seats. I am a fuel injection fanatic...love the FI set up on my bus, and I've gotten to know it pretty well by now. Oil pump I noticed, too, but not certain of its origin. I had not discussed that with Adrian, but I feel confident that it will be up to the task if he installed it. We shall certainly see.

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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by airkooledchris » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:50 am

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Is this what that oil pump looks like up close?

IF so, this might be worth reading from a post over at TS about that specific pump shown in the photo above:
That "looks" almost exactly like a cast iron melling oil pump. I have one in my collection. Beutifully built pump.....but waaaaaay to large for the engine. I used mine for a few thousand miles and had issues with low pressure.

Piledriver kn the STF did some measurements and noted when cold the output is dangerouspy high on this pump.....and when warm still puts out so much pressure that it opens the oil pressure releif valve......causing high oil temps. Ray
FWIW, im guessing Adrian isn't the same builder as the above motor and if not - then likely isn't going that same route.
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Jivermo » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:13 pm

Hey, thanks for the tip. I will look into this.

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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Bleyseng » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:21 pm

I have one in my drawer as they also leak like crazy. They are steel and the case is aluminum so the different rates of expansion cause leaks...
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Amskeptic » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:38 am

Bleyseng wrote:I have one in my drawer as they also leak like crazy. They are steel and the case is aluminum so the different rates of expansion cause leaks...
Find, hoard, and use the OEM pumps whenever possible. This different expansion rate causing a pressure loss between the pump and the case is a true effect. There have also been "indexing" issues, where the holes don't line up.

I do not personally understand why the oem pumps are replaced, they can be milled easily. The Road Warrior had a crazy old pump that none-the-less never ever turned on the oil light at idle no matter how hot it was.
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Jivermo » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:14 pm

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OK, after the sabbatical, what is the consensus here? Replace the oil pump installed by Adrian-he calls it a 30mm-or put in my old VW oil pump? Why would Adrian, with his stellar reputation, install a pump with less than great performance ratings? What say you all?

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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Bleyseng » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:08 pm

Pull the cover off and see if its a steel oil pump body as that's why it leaks even with a machined O ring. I have used the Schadek pumps with success but that one is a 30mm pump which is a lot of oil pumping.
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Amskeptic » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:49 am

Jivermo wrote:Why would Adrian, with his stellar reputation, install a pump with less than great performance ratings?
When that is all that is reliably available for him, he rationalizes.
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Jivermo » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:07 am

Gosh, Colin...tell me how you really feel about it...

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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by airkooledchris » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:02 pm

It sounds like a question that should be presented to Adrian to address first.
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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by Amskeptic » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:06 am

Jivermo wrote:Gosh, Colin...tell me how you really feel about it...

Maybe you could tell me how you really interpreted my post . . . (?)

If the original pumps are hard to come by or take too many labor hours to validate their worthiness, perhaps Adrian has found a suitable new replacement that he uses both for advertising, "blahblah comes with new pump! blahblah etc, and to reset any service life question to "0".

Whatever the reason, there is a "rationale".

A rebuilder is in on a totally different playing field than an owner. I respect both positions. I would hate to be a Jake Raby watching my gorgeous engine go off into Yahoo Land, and I would hate to be a conscientious customer who has to blindly accept whatever decisions or compromises that come from his rebuilder. Things do happen. I've seen them.

It was my best thoughtful emotion-free guess.
I have no feeling about it.
I'll bow out of further speculation.
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BobD - 78 Bus . . . 112,730 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles

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Re: 2 liter long block from Adrian...

Post by energyturtle » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:30 pm

There's OG pumps all over the samba. Why compromise? Did he use your old engine as a core? It had the OG pump. I don't understand what were speculating about. Just get the OG pump. It takes 30 min to swap them out. Pack full of vasoline to aid in oil pressure on first start. Good luck.

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