Obama Issues Executive Order Institutionalizing Indefinite D

[ruckman101]

Suddenly feeling verrrry sleepy, .... but must put cash into envelope, mail to tampa, steve.....


neal

[steve74baywin]

Suddenly feeling verrrry sleepy, .... but must put cash into envelope, mail to tampa, steve.....


neal

yes, yes, now it is working....

[turk]

I now understand. My tax return check is being endorsed over to Steve.

[steve74baywin]

I now understand. My tax return check is being endorsed over to Steve.

And in 33 days 80% of the members here will be Conspiracy Theory Libertarian Anarchist.

[turk]

And you'll be "Dear Leader", and there will be perfect harmony in the forums. Nah.

[steve74baywin]

Well, it was to aid the story of the principle.
Let's see if I got it on disc. Man did they do a close up.

[turk]

I was only F'n with ya' I hope is understood..

[steve74baywin]

I was only F'n with ya' I hope is understood..

I think we may have been talking about different things...

Now I'm sleepy, it's past my bed time.

[turk]

Sorry Steve. I thought we were doing a jokey back and forth about your profession, and you didn't care I was poking a little fun at you. I still don't know if you we're in on it as I assumed. I think you are an exceptionally perceptive person, and I think others here agree..

[steve74baywin]

Sorry Steve. I thought we were doing a jokey back and forth about your profession, and you didn't care I was poking a little fun at you. I still don't know if you we're in on it as I assumed. I think you are an exceptionally perceptive person, and I think others here agree..

Turk, I took it all as humor.
It's all good.

[Amskeptic]

It's all good.

No, it's not. The country is going to hell in a hand basket.

[steve74baywin]

It's all good.

No, it's not. The country is going to hell in a hand basket.

Now that's a different subject. I will agree with you on that one Colin.
But, change is possible.

[steve74baywin]

I have a few question about this that I do not know the answer to.
According to this form of Government we have
Whose authority is it in regards to detainees? pres, Sec of Def, congress etc,

Is this case he issued an executive order. Some say that is not legal, or not what executive orders were for. Is it? I don't know.
If he didn't issue this order to continue, would it have stopped, or was this issue just to make a change to how it is currently done?


Some of these question came from the previous reply below, but we went into other things instead.

He did a pro active step to continue.
This would mean he either is now for it or was forced into it.
If he was for it I guess he found out stuff he didn't know. This I do not think is likely.
He was probably forced too.
He did a pro active step to continue, although if he didn't issue that order would it still have continued?
Can the president really stop or give the okay on this? Not only is it probably not in his powers from a constitutional stand point, it probably isn't in his powers period.
So who does have the say on whether we do this or not?

[Amskeptic]

I have a few question about this that I do not know the answer to.
According to this form of Government we have
Whose authority is it in regards to detainees? pres, Sec of Def, congress etc,

Is this case he issued an executive order. Some say that is not legal, or not what executive orders were for. Is it? I don't know.

We have been schizophrenic for a long time in regards to executive power. Part of the schizophrenia is because the tacit acceptance of executive power ebbs and flows with whichever political party is in power. GWB was given wide latitude to detain "enemy combatants" and Obama has seemingly run with it, not because he is is just loving the power trip, but because the Republicans boxed him into a corner. They said "no" to any processing stateside through our legal channels AND they were not going to let him close Gitmo. What the hell is he to do? He can't move these people. Congress adopted an attitude that that these people were just too dangerous to house in this country. Nonsense, if you ask me.

So who does have the say on whether we do this or not?

Executive decisions regarding military matters resides with the Commander In Chief.
That is why Bush had to dance around with "enemy combatant" so it would fall under his dominion. BUT, military actions must be funded by Congress if it is a "war". So Gitmo was granted military funding. But rules of war and Geneva Conventions demand due process of prisoners! But they were named not prisoners, but "enemy combatants" to avoid all ethical considerations. It is a murky disgusting stain on this country. I am sure that Obama the person would love to get rid of this problem, but I think he is hamstrung.
Colin