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Post by Amskeptic » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:54 pm

By Peter Finn and Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post
Monday, March 7, 2011

President Obama signed an executive order Monday that will create a formal system of indefinite detention for those held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, who continue to pose a significant threat to national security. The administration also said it will start new military commission trials for detainees there.
The announcements, coming more than two years after Obama vowed in another executive order to close the detention center, all but cements Guantanamo Bay's continuing role in U.S. counterterrorism policy.

Administration officials said the president is still committed to closing the prison, although he made no mention of that goal in a short statement Monday. The administration's original plans to create a detention center in the United States and prosecute some detainees in federal court have all but collapsed in the face of bipartisan congressional opposition.

The executive order recognizes the reality that some Guantanamo Bay detainees will remain in U.S. custody for many years, if not for life. The new system allows them the prospect of successfully arguing in the future that they should be released because they do not pose a threat.

"Today, I am announcing several steps that broaden our ability to bring terrorists to justice, provide oversight for our actions and ensure the humane treatment of detainees," Obama said in statement. "I strongly believe that the American system of justice is a key part of our arsenal in the war against al-Qaeda and its affiliates, and we will continue to draw on all aspects of our justice system - including [federal] Article III Courts - to ensure that our security and our values (WTF?) are strengthened."

But activists on either end of the debate over closing the prison cast the announcement as a reversal. "It is virtually impossible to imagine how one closes Guantanamo in light of this executive order," said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "In a little over two years, the Obama administration has done a complete about-face."

Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said the order vindicated Obama's predecessor. "I commend the Obama Administration for issuing this Executive Order," he said in a statement. "The bottom line is that it affirms the Bush Administration policy that our government has the right to detain dangerous terrorists until the cessation of hostilities."

The executive order applies to at least 48 of the 172 detainees who remain at Guantanamo Bay. An inter-agency panel led by Justice Department lawyers determined that this group could not be prosecuted in military commissions or in federal court because evidentiary problems would hamper a trial. But intelligence assessments also concluded that these detainees remain a serious threat and could not be safely repatriated or resettled in a third country. The administration said it will hold reviews for detainees it plans to prosecute but has not charged.

The administration argues that it has the legal authority to continue to hold all of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay under the laws of war. Federal courts have backed that assertion, although they have found that some detainees should be released for a lack of evidence against them. The detainees will continue to have the right to petition the federal courts under the doctrine of habeas corpus.
"The new executive order doesn't change the legal authority for detention at all," said Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies. "It simply provides additional reviews for individuals who have been found by the habeas courts to be lawfully detained under the laws of war."

Under the order, each detainee will receive within a year a written, unclassified review of the factors that justify his continued incarceration. A government representative will be appointed to advocate on behalf of the detainees, who will have the right to hire private counsel, but not at the government's expense, the executive order says. A Periodic Review Board, composed of military, intelligence, Homeland Security, State and Justice Department officials, will consider each case. A detainee will have the right to appear before the board, introduce his own evidence and call witnesses "who are reasonably available," the order says. Each detainee will receive a full review before officials every three years, and a paper review every six months.

But David Remes, an attorney who represents 20 detainees, including 16 Yemenis, said he sees no substantive difference between the new system and the review process under the George W. Bush administration, just "a new cast of characters" sitting on review boards. In light of the current administration's decision not to release any Yemenis, even those cleared for repatriation, Remes questioned whether the new system will be valid. "What good will this do for a Yemeni?" he said. The administration has said Yemen does not have the capacity to reintegrate and monitor any returned detainees.

Moreover, recent legislation now makes it extremely difficult to transfer any detainee out of Guantanamo Bay even if he is believed to be no threat, and it is unclear how the administration will confront that congressional barrier. The administration said that Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates will issue an order rescinding the suspension of new military commission cases.

The administration is expected to charge three detainees: Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, a Yemeni accused of planning the October 2000 al-Qaeda attack on the USS Cole that killed 17 American sailors; Obaidullah, an Afghan accused of storing anti-tank mines; and Ahmed Darbi, a Saudi accused of planning an attack on a ship in the Strait of Hormuz that never took place. But the case against Guantanamo Bay's most prominent detainee, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, remains in limbo. The administration had planned to Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and four co-defendants on trial in New York. But intense political and public opposition scuttled the prosecution and it is unclear where - or whether - Mohammed will be tried.

"Unfortunately, some in Congress have unwisely sought to undermine this process by imposing restrictions that challenge the Executive Branch's ability to bring to justice terrorists who seek to do Americans harm," Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in a statement Monday. "We oppose those restrictions, and will continue to seek their repeal."
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Post by hambone » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:22 pm

Wow that is really sad. More o' the same.
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Post by Amskeptic » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:22 pm

hambone wrote:Wow that is really sad. More o' the same.
I am disappointed that he did not seize the moment when we voted him in.
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Post by ruckman101 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:27 pm

And the next and the next. Eaten, co-opted by the machine. I sure hope he has some rabbits to pull out of his hat that will cheer me up. Closing Gitmo would have been a fat healthy rabbit.


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Post by glasseye » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:29 am

Agreed. The "change we can believe in" has not materialized.
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Post by Hippie » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:15 am

Dis anyone really expect any significant change? After generations of sameness?
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Post by hambone » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:37 pm

It was a pretty blunt message from his campaign. I am a little surprised it has been so drastic however. How can you alienate everyone while voicing "unity"?
Old Boys Club is pretty transparent at times. We need the Wobblies ETC. again. And then what? Another couple a wars then we're back to where we started. History is the Big Bang, expanding and collapsing exponentially in our infinite universe.
Wow Obama had a huge hard on for closing that place. How can he do this and maintain credibility?
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Post by Velokid1 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:25 pm

He serves the establishment. So next election cycle, we need to vote in the other party's candidate. Who also serves the establishment.

Wait a minute... I'm starting to wonder if maybe we can't win. Anyone else get that feeling?

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Post by ruckman101 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:47 pm

We certainly seem a tiny hint of a whisper from the back of the cave when it comes to being heard in the "$" free speech department.


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Post by Hippie » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:51 am

Velokid1 wrote:...Wait a minute... I'm starting to wonder if maybe we can't win. Anyone else get that feeling?
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Post by RussellK » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:33 am

On one hand I have a feeling being President opens up knowledge of complexities not imaginable when one merely aspires to be President. On the other hand I feel betrayed.

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Post by Amskeptic » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:26 pm

RussellK wrote:On one hand I have a feeling being President opens up knowledge of complexities not imaginable when one merely aspires to be President. On the other hand I feel betrayed.
There is no reason that a President cannot educate us effectively regarding those complexities and the choices confronting us. That he cannot easily and convincingly make his case for change when the need only grows more critical by the hour, tells me that it was only the easy rhetoric of a man who knows that WHAT he says is right, but does not have the BALLS to see it through. That Jesus guy went to the cross. Can't Obama at least tolerate being disliked by knaves?

Obama does NOT comprehend his place in history.
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Post by vwlover77 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:48 pm

Jesus didn't have to run for re-election! :rr:

And I'm convinced that 2/3 of Americans have minds that are simply closed. No education of a closed mind is possible.
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Post by Amskeptic » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:54 pm

vwlover77 wrote:Jesus didn't have to run for re-election! :rr:

And I'm convinced that 2/3 of Americans have minds that are simply closed. No education of a closed mind is possible.
A great leader can pry open some of those closed minds, then the herd reflex takes care of the rest.

This is no different than the process of true therapy and foster parenting. You must expect resistance, you must earn trust, you will win hearts even the scared and ignorant ones. Their testing you is critical and it is necessary and I honor the process. Obama has shown no steel. Of course people are not going to give him their trust.
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Post by hippiewannabe » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:16 pm

I'm tempted to give Obama the benefit of the doubt here, but I don't know.

Being an American-trained lawyer, he's programmed to focus on the rights of the accused, not the victim, and to fight the state. Perhaps, as commander-in-chief, he's grown, and understands the burden of the president's responsibility for protecting the nation.

Maybe through his daily security briefings, and several close calls we've had recently, he only now grasps the seriousness of the threat. It may have finally dawned on him that the depth, scale and organization of the forces dedicated to attacking us really rises to the level of war. Ted Kaczynski was a mentally unstable criminal, al Quaeda and radical Islam is a quasi-nation at war with us. And in a war, you don't give prisoners captured in battle a presumption of innocence, and release them to return to the battlefield and kill you. You hold them till hostilities have ended.

Maybe he was naive, and really did think that the Bush administration over-reacted in the hysteria after 9-11, and made mistakes. I'd like for him to say it that way. But one thing is clear; he knew damn well they were patriots, doing what they thought was right to protect the country. The way he pandered to those who ascribed nefarious intentions to the men and women doing the best they could in responding to the biggest attack on our country since Pearl Harbor was massively cynical and dishonest.

At the very least, he needs to share his new found enlightenment with his base, help them understand the truth, and bring the nation together.
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