American Income Inequity (good read)

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Post by Cindy » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:32 am

glasseye wrote:OK. "nearly" :salute:

“From the moment [Europeans] encountered the native people of North America [they] classified them in order to make them sensible [and] in the process reduced them simplistically.” Indians became either “noble” or “savage,” depending upon the needs of the conquering whites, and “noble” has traditionally indicated a romanticized environmental ethic. "Like preindustrial people on other continents, some of them deforested landscapes and might have brought too many salts onto arable land . . . or helped place animal populations on the brink of extinction. The first humans in North America demonstrated all of the intelligence, self-interest, flexibility, and ability to make mistakes of human beings anywhere.” To assume otherwise is to diminish the complexity of the native experience.


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Post by Cindy » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:34 am

Quotes in passage above are from The Ecological Indian: Myth and History, by Shepard Klech III.
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Post by turk » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:12 am

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That guy had foresight, brilliant. Now, will turk respond directly to your thankfully eloquent answer?
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ruckman101 wrote:Hasn't yet.

As I recall it was a corporate flag-waving sidestep under the guise of intellectual pursuit.



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turk wrote:Dr. King was a brilliant speaker and a revolutionary but I'll take the other side for rhetorical purposes today. What about the good things those capitalist westerners helped to create and achieve? They don't count? It's all or nothing? Think about it and have a peaceful MLK Jr. day.
So, although I can't disagree with all the bad things pointed to in the speech, my intention is to take off the blanket of negative politics outlined and emphasized in the words, ONLY for a moment, to recognize, the western capitalists ALSO had some benefits for everyone. Not to take away from the quote, to show grey areas exist in negativity. My mom once told me: "I have to go through the negative to get to the positive". I take the words of King to heart. I suggested widening the lens.
And neither the Barone article nor any other article was injected by me in my direct response. I did quote Obama though.
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Post by glasseye » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:52 pm

Cindy wrote:Quotes in passage above are from The Ecological Indian: Myth and History, by Shepard Klech III.
Interesting. I'd always understood that the native Americans were pretty gentle on the land. But what do I know? I read stuff on the Internets. :flower:
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Cindy wrote:Quotes in passage above are from The Ecological Indian: Myth and History, by Shepard Klech III.
Interesting. I'd always understood that the native Americans were pretty gentle on the land. But what do I know? I read stuff on the Internets. :flower:
Here, let me guide your interpretations.

Each new piece of information that comes across your understanding that destroys some nice or naive inner belief, can give you both the relief that we are not as bad in the present as it feels, and they in the past were not as good as they looked. This will flatten your outlook somewhat, but it is a good thing.
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Amskeptic wrote: Here, let me guide your interpretations.
That is a pun no? :rabbit:
A man said to the universe, "Sir I exist! "However," replied the universe, "the fact has not created in me a sense of obligation."

"Let me be perfectly clear" "[...] And so that was just a example of a new senator, you know, making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country." Barry Sotero

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Amskeptic wrote:.......
Each new piece of information that comes across your understanding that destroys some nice or naive inner belief, can give you both the relief that we are not as bad in the present as it feels, and they in the past were not as good as they looked. This will flatten your outlook somewhat, but it is a good thing.
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Post by RussellK » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:22 pm

so the earth might not be getting warmer? :scrunched up face smiley:

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Post by ruckman101 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:24 pm

lol, Lovely spring day here in the NW. Convertible top-down kinda day.


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ruckman101 wrote:
Amskeptic wrote:.......
Each new piece of information that comes across your understanding that destroys some nice or naive inner belief, ...
I hate it when that happens.
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Now here, I gotta disagree, neal. See, if I'm wrong about something and somebody shows me that I'm wrong, then suddenly, I'm not wrong any more. I'm right! What's not to like about that?
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Post by Cindy » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:51 am

glasseye wrote:
ruckman101 wrote:
Amskeptic wrote:.......
Each new piece of information that comes across your understanding that destroys some nice or naive inner belief, ...
I hate it when that happens.
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Now here, I gotta disagree, neal. See, if I'm wrong about something and somebody shows me that I'm wrong, then suddenly, I'm not wrong any more. I'm right! What's not to like about that?
You weren't entirely wrong. Certainly, in terms of scale, they were less destructive. And not everything we think we know about them is myth. Klech sorts it out nicely.

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Post by Elwood » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:23 am

Kinda how our guys reacted to a young woman from Egypt, dressed provocativly, Cleopatra did not look like Elizabeth Taylor but they want to have the fantasy. And that is good too :cya:
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Post by ruckman101 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:40 pm

New Rule: Americans Must Realize What Makes NFL Football So Great: Socialism

New Rule: With the Super Bowl only a week away, Americans must realize what makes NFL football so great: socialism. That's right, for all the F-15 flyovers and flag waving, football is our most successful sport because the NFL takes money from the rich teams and gives it to the poor teams... just like President Obama wants to do with his secret army of ACORN volunteers. Green Bay, Wisconsin has a population of 100,000. Yet this sleepy little town on the banks of the Fuck-if-I-know River has just as much of a chance of making it to the Super Bowl as the New York Jets - who next year need to just shut the hell up and play.

Now, me personally, I haven't watched a Super Bowl since 2004, when Janet Jackson's nipple popped out during half time, and that split-second glimpse of an unrestrained black titty burned my eyes and offended me as a Christian. But I get it - who doesn't love the spectacle of juiced-up millionaires giving each other brain damage on a giant flat-screen TV with a picture so realistic it feels like Ben Roethlisberger is in your living room, grabbing your sister?

It's no surprise that some 100 million Americans will watch the Super Bowl next week - that's 40 million more than go to church on Christmas - suck on that, Jesus! It's also 85 million more than watched the last game of the World Series, and in that is an economic lesson for America. Because football is built on an economic model of fairness and opportunity, and baseball is built on a model where the rich almost always win and the poor usually have no chance. The World Series is like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. You have to be a rich bitch just to play. The Super Bowl is like Tila Tequila. Anyone can get in.

Or to put it another way, football is more like the Democratic philosophy. Democrats don't want to eliminate capitalism or competition, but they'd like it if some kids didn't have to go to a crummy school in a rotten neighborhood while others get to go to a great school and their Dad gets them into Harvard. Because when that happens "achieving the American dream" is easy for some, and just a fantasy for others.

That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success."

Baseball, on the other hand, is exactly like the Republicans, and I don't just mean it's incredibly boring. I mean their economic theory is every man for himself. The small market Pittsburgh Steelers go to the Super Bowl more than anybody - but the Pittsburgh Pirates? Levi Johnston has sperm that will not grow up and live long enough to see the Pirates in a World Series. Their payroll is about $40 million, and the Yankees is $206 million. They have about as much chance at getting in the playoffs as a poor black teenager from Newark has of becoming the CEO of Halliburton. That's why people stop going to Pirate games in May, because if you're not in the game, you become indifferent to the fate of the game, and maybe even get bitter - that's what's happening to the middle class in America. It's also how Marie Antoinette lost her head.

So, you kind of have to laugh - the same angry white males who hate Obama because he's "redistributing wealth" just love football, a sport that succeeds economically because it does exactly that. To them, the NFL is as American as hot dogs, Chevrolet, apple pie, and a second, giant helping of apple pie. But then again, they think they're macho because their sport is football, when honestly - is there anything gayer than wearing another man's shirt?

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Post by Sylvester » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:36 am

ruckman101 wrote:That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success."
Good Lord that article is too funny! You have to read it!!! I loved this satement:
That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success."
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Post by glasseye » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:40 am

Indeed he does. He missed one "gay" point, though. Those bums.

Like I used to read Playboy for the articles, I only watch the Superbowl for the commercials. :bounce:
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