the artic ice is melting!

[ruckman101]

Bwahahahha, sounds like it's a name and institute you should be familiar with turk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Ins ... d_Medicine

Just for context, realize Oregon does tend to be an incubation for nuttiness. Must be the rain we haven't had this fall. Don't forget Jim Jones. The Bagwan Shree Rashneesh. Even those suicidal comet folks. They might have even been Cave Junction haunters themselves.

What's your excuse turk?



neal

[turk]

My excuse is there is no evidence to be alarmed. What's yours? Still emitting CO2 by choice? That would be hypocritical. Hey ya' got 10:10:10 to handcuff yerself symbolically for a day to save the planet. Tell me how that works for ya'. John Lennon wrote maudlin politically conscious songs from his English country mansion. Cave Junction would be some place I would move if I move to Oregon.

[ruckman101]

Yep, still breathing, exhaling CO2 by choice because I don't want to explore the only other option until I absolutely have to.


neal

[turk]

No 101, you seem to want to haggle over what size "carbon foot-print" other people should have, so what's yer excuse? Get out yer hand-cuffs like a good monkey. Now put it on your wrist and lock it. Good.

[ruckman101]

I know not of what you speak.

I believe there is a crisis that humanity's actions have exacerbated, shrinking a natural cycle of centuries into a very narrow timeframe. You don't believe human activity has anything to do with it, that it is a conspiracy to tax you as far as I can tell.

The puddle of dissenting research you cite as the basis for your belief is, if any data is, fudged. Cling to your uncommon sense along with Art Robinson and the other muddiers.

You have no credibility in my book on this issue, neither do the few sources you've cited. You ignore an overwhelming body of world research in favor of a itty bitty minority of corporate funded dissenters.

The Koch Brothers thank you.


neal

[turk]

I know not of what you speak.

I believe there is a crisis that humanity's actions have exacerbated, shrinking a natural cycle of centuries into a very narrow timeframe. You don't believe human activity has anything to do with it, that it is a conspiracy to tax you as far as I can tell.

The puddle of dissenting research you cite as the basis for your belief is, if any data is, fudged. Cling to your uncommon sense along with Art Robinson and the other muddiers.

You have no credibility in my book on this issue, neither do the few sources you've cited. You ignore an overwhelming body of world research in favor of a itty bitty minority of corporate funded dissenters.

The Koch Brothers thank you.


neal

Naw, nah, no, no, no. I cited the IPCC, the NOAA, GISTEMP, James Hansen, and more. I used their data to show you that they truly don't know. There simply isn't enough to know. Show me ONE piece of citation I made that is wrong, just ONE. Do I need to give you a prize to do it? Just do it man. Damn right I dissent that ideological bullcrap. Let science do its work. Put up man. What do you have? Flooding in Pakistan, and a heat wave in Russia are a few cherries you presented. Problem is James Hansen admitted they weren't because of Global Warming!

[ruckman101]

Yep, you apply your own locked down tight uncommon sense to the issue bolstered by the corporate supported shills.

There is no discussion.


neal

[turk]

There's "no discussion" only because you say so. I give you the opportunity to back up your hefty assertion on a silver platter. You say "no discussion". What's that say about your assertion? I'll take a stab: It's BS.

[ruckman101]

We've had the discussion.


neal

[turk]

Then why are you still addressing it with "bwahahaha" stupidity about some obscure organization and asking what "my excuse" for it is. Is that yer little Straw Man exit from the discussion? You have nothing. You couldn't answer my challenge, even if I "bet" you couldn't. So exit with a Saul Alinsky pot-shot and try to personalize it for me. Goodbye dude.

[ruckman101]

Arty ain't one of your revered bros in denial? The Oregon Petitition is his doing, I was sure you would be on board.


neal

[DjEep]

People come into the shop all the time after trying and failing to fix their VW's. Then I fix them and tell them the cause of their woes. Often they then argue that the "cause" can't be, and cite all sorts of shit they have read on the grand ol' internet. I calmly tell them that #1 It runs now, eh? and #2 It didn't after they tried to get it to.

Moral #1: Don't put all your faith in what you choose to read on the internet.
Moral #2: If you aren't a mechanic (scientist) don't tell me (mechanic) that I am wrong, especially if "consensus" (VW works now) is in my favor.

[fred]

New, convincing evidence indicates global warming is caused by cosmic rays and the sun — not humans
link: http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/0 ... w-settled/
this guy is crackers to believe that the Sun is making things hot

[steve74baywin]

New, convincing evidence indicates global warming is caused by cosmic rays and the sun — not humans
link: http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/0 ... w-settled/
this guy is crackers to believe that the Sun is making things hot

That really is interesting. Thanks for sharing.