Adventurewagen wrote:
Exactly. People can argue Saddam and Bin-laden didn't have anything to do with certain attacks (like the trade centers) but you can't tell me those two haven't had their fingers mixed in terrorist acts around the world over the last 20yrs leading to things like that.
I can't but overwhelming evidence that they hated each other can....
Plus 20 or so years ago it was Rummy partying with "Sad-damn"
Whether they flew the damn plane itself into one of the trade centers or not isn't the question, its a matter of how many of those terrorists they sponsored, gave shelter to or helped get them to where they got, that is the problem and how many more they'll pump out under their control and have pumped out over the last 20yrs. I don't believe these guys are clean and free in any respect and scrutinizing over whether they are responsible was not a far stretch at all.
so a half million people should die because you are afraid to?
If they didn't want the shit they got brought down on themselves they should have rolled over and opened their borders to a full pat down. People seem to forget the resistance they gave the UN.
Amerika has killed
far more people than either of those people combined and it hasn't "opened their borders for a full pat down."
Amerika, under Bush, has shown plenty of contempt for the UN.
I don't disagree we bullied our way in there, or that money (oil) wasn't a factor or that Bush didn't bring a personal vendetta into the issue. I won't even disagree that what happened to the innocent people over there isn't crappy but I won't agree that it was a complete mistake or that it wasn't avoidable on both our part and theirs.
Amerika has lost almost all of it's goodwill, prestige and it's perceived unbeatable might in the world, the "terrorists" are multiplying, half a million innocents are dead, Iraq is a death trap... but it wasn't a complete mistake!
Please don't take my comments as personal attacks on any of you guys. If you've ever noticed I generally stay out of the political commentary as I don't like argueing over it much, I just had to throw out some of my feelings on it today.
I, as I believe most people here do, know the difference between a political viewpoint and a person. People believe what they believe and debating would be no fun if there were no other viewpoints. You have always seemed like a nice enough guy. Hopefully you can take my comments as an appeal, not an attack.
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