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US Leadership In Iranian Deal Now Dead . . .

Post by Amskeptic » Tue May 08, 2018 1:22 pm

. . . . to satisfy what I believe is a personal animus that Trump holds towards Obama.

What does pulling out of the deal *actually accomplish* when there is *no alternative presented*?? We lose only our leadership, and gain a whole host of new headaches. China and Russia will likely fill the void.

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I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America’s own security; and trigger an arms race in the world’s most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.

In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies.

Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe.
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Re: US Leadership In Iranian Deal Now Dead . . .

Post by TrollFromDownBelow » Tue May 08, 2018 6:13 pm

Amskeptic wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 1:22 pm
. . . . to satisfy what I believe is a personal animus that Trump holds towards Obama...
I have to agree here .... he has made a point of dismantling all of his major initiatives; Obamacare (couldn't do it completely, b/c he couldn't get congress to pass anything... but truth be told, it does need rework), DACA, TPP, CAFE standards, conversion to clean energy...

edit...forgot the Paris climate agreement...
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Re: US Leadership In Iranian Deal Now Dead . . .

Post by ruckman101 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:31 pm

From this country? There is no leadership. A one man wrecking crew.

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Re: US Leadership In Iranian Deal Now Dead . . .

Post by Amskeptic » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:28 pm

ruckman101 wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:31 pm
From this country? There is no leadership. A one man wrecking crew.

neal

I cringe to see the hoopla surrounding this North Korea "deal". We cannot be so devoid of substance now ... can we?
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Re: US Leadership In Iranian Deal Now Dead . . .

Post by Abscate » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:26 pm

The beauty of our system is the leadership must change. The sane people in the world are marking time until that happens until either 2018, 2020, 0r 2024

We arent out of the telephone loop, we are just on hold.

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Re: US Leadership In Iranian Deal Now Dead . . .

Post by Amskeptic » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:12 am

Abscate wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:26 pm

We arent out of the telephone loop, we are just on hold.
"please hold, your call is very important to us . . . . ask us about our deals . . . . please hold, your call is very important to us . . . . we believe in prompt personable customer service . . . . please hold, your call is very important to us . . . . quality governance, it is what makes us US . . . . please hold, your call is very important to us . . . . please hold, your call is very important to us . . . . ask us about our deals . . . . please hold, your call is very important to us . . . . we believe in prompt personable customer service . . . . please hold, your call is very important to us . . . . quality governance, it is what makes us US . . . . please hold, your call is very important to us . . . . due to high call volume, please call later . . . "
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