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Bleyseng wrote:You can just brush off everything with a wave saying "Its overinflated, not his doing blah blah".
BUT..
The stock market IS at all time highs.
The economy IS doing well.
Unemployment IS way low now.
Wages are slowly increasing.
The ACA IS working.

So look at the bright side and not complain, wring your hands and moan about his approval ratings as they too are way better as the GOP shoots itself time and time again in the foot.

Maybe in 2016 the Dems can get enough votes to overcome the GOP's gerrymandering.

Numbers these days are all to easy to manipulate. Talk to those who work in healthcare (I do given I work in an ER) and you'll here otherwise...it's a nightmare. Debt at an all time high and growing at astronomical rate during this administration isn't going to help you, I or anyone in the future. Only a fool would believe it will all work out in the end if we just keep raising the debt ceiling and print more dollars. Then let's not even think of how bad things could get and will if we get another Clinton in office...

Lest we forget that Obama is not even very well accepted among his own party members.

Hmm,
The stock market is at nearly 18,000 from a low in 2008 of 8,000...those are hard to manipulate they are so good!

Unemployment went from 10.5% to 5.5% now so pretty damn good there too!

Healthcare has always been a nightmare but the uninsured has dropped to 12% vs 20% in 2013

The National Debt problem could be solved by actually taxing Corporations and the 1% and not allowing the Corporations to stash their profits offshore. Same with SS which if the taxing limit on income was raised or eliminated so ALL income was SS taxable SS funding wouldn't be an issue.

Bleyseng wrote:Hmm,
The stock market is at nearly 18,000 from a low in 2008 of 8,000...those are hard to manipulate they are so good!

Unemployment went from 10.5% to 5.5% now so pretty damn good there too!

Healthcare has always been a nightmare but the uninsured has dropped to 12% vs 20% in 2013

The National Debt problem could be solved by actually taxing Corporations and the 1% and not allowing the Corporations to stash their profits offshore. Same with SS which if the taxing limit on income was raised or eliminated so ALL income was SS taxable SS funding wouldn't be an issue.

The stock market is never a great indicator to use when trying to accurately judge whether or not the economy is of a true sound setting of a solid economy. It's to global & skewed. And in case you have noticed Europe, China and other areas aren't doing to well. This alone should make anyone wonder how the market could be where it is and yet some people say hey!.... everything is great! I'm not drinking the tea, so to are many others.

It's a long known fact that the government uses a horrible method of tallying the unemployment numbers....it doesn't take into account the many who've drained their benefits.

Way too much misleading info on healthcare numbers. One thing is certain though. Most Americans aren't happy about it and it's far from affordable. Healthcare premiums continue to rise. Then there is the cost to run it...astronomical! Trillions EACH year.

The national debt? This is the proverbial house of cards that will bring everything down. It isn't a question of will it happen it's a question of when...

Housing market is still down...primarily due to way to many who can't afford a $485,000 cracker jack box that actually cost only $15K or so to build. Countless souls who already lost a home who now no longer able to qualify for a loan.

Credit card companies profiting billions off of debt with overly high interest rates.

Banks who continue to saddle people with hidden fees and outrageous charges all catered at keeping your money while they make the high interest rates.

Gas...lovely gas...which in case you've not noticed is higher than where it should be given the oil glut is at an all time high and prices of oil per barrel are at 30+ year lows. Reality is gas should realistically be roughly $1.50 or so per gallon given current oil pricing coupled with the glut.

Feds say food prices have gone down 1.6%. Yet I know for fact it's quite the opposite given how often I go to the market.

The state/s want more tax money and their doing pretty much everything they can to get it.

Companies continue to profit billions and wages remain flat as ever...in fact, companies and billionaires have been taking their money overseas and avoiding paying taxes here. Why? Simple because of this Congress/administrations policies.

And the list goes on...in the end its all smoke and mirrors for hard working Americans.

Can anything be done? Yeah, we can wait around for this current
economic 'bubble' that we're in to POP. Stocks being artificially
inflated by QE (yes, they've "stopped QE" --- for now) and reaching all
time record highs. Housing prices skyrocketing to levels that are on
par with 2006/2007. All of which is being caused by artificial,
historically low mortgage rates by the Fed who know they can't raise
them in this current market. For crying out loud, how many bubbles do
people need to live through before they recognize the pattern? Stock
prices soaring to nonsensical levels -- Check, see 2000/2001. Housing
prices soaring to unsustainable levels relative to income - Check see
2007/2008

So what can be done? We wait. And the wise will diversify themselves out of that open-air casino out there on Wall Street.

I'll leave you with this: At the Davos, Switzerland economic conference not
more than a month ago the worlds elite got together to talk shop. You
know what was a continual topic of conversation? Economic collapse.
Not just any economic collapse, no, a major one. A collapse that is
causing the One Percenter's to buy remote airstrips and farms in far off
locals where they can escape what they see as a complete social
collapse. Don't believe me... Google: davos + elite are buying retreats

Just in....

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/24/half- ... subsidies/

72Hardtop wrote:Just in....

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/24/half- ... subsidies/

The Daily Caller? Quality news establishment...

But even if it was from somewhere more established, it's only a study that shows when people under-report their estimations. This isn't a problem with the ACA but a problem with folks who would under-report to try to rig the system. As far as I see, it's a failsafe for insurance fraud.

Hardtop-You for one are on a lucid thought or two!

Boxcar wrote:Hardtop-You for one are on a lucid thought or two!

Absolutely...I and many others have realized that this healthcare plan and presidents ways are going to cost this country dearly. Most won't realize it until he's long out of office.

72Hardtop wrote: Most won't realize it until he's long out of office.

by design

Then the fun starts...cleaning up his god forsaken mess he'll have left this country with.

72Hardtop wrote: The stock market is never a great indicator to use when trying to accurately judge whether or not the economy is of a true sound setting of a solid economy.
In case you have noticed Europe, China and other areas aren't doing too well.

Well then, let's blame Obama (?) for that , then.

72Hardtop wrote: This alone should make anyone wonder how the market could be where it is and yet some people say hey!.... everything is great! I'm not drinking the tea, so to are many others.

No, and Obama himself isn't drinking the tea. He SAID that businesses are doing very well and should share it on down the line. People blame Obama for corporate niggardliness. Obama has tried to raise taxes on the wealthy and promote infrastructure improvement and raise the minimum wage, and republicans shoot him down every time, then they blame Obama for an "under-performing" economy. It is insane, and it is looking pathologically sick these days.

72Hardtop wrote: It's a long known fact that the government uses a horrible method of tallying the unemployment numbers....it doesn't take into account the many who've drained their benefits.

It is like a VDO gauge, although it is not accurate, you CAN spot trends. The same horrible method was in effect when George Bush & Gang wrecked the economy.

72Hardtop wrote: Way too much misleading info on healthcare numbers. One thing is certain though. Most Americans aren't happy about it and it's far from affordable. Healthcare premiums continue to rise. Then there is the cost to run it...astronomical! Trillions EACH year.

Really? Misleading? And by what means did you arrive at this insight, your job? Most Americans aren't happy about it because they have been grotesquely misinformed by Faux propaganda. IN FACT, a clear majority of Americans do NOT want it revoked. Where do you get your information?

72Hardtop wrote: The national debt? This is the proverbial house of cards that will bring everything down. It isn't a question of will it happen it's a question of when...

The system will fall from greed, not the debt.

72Hardtop wrote: Housing market is still down...primarily due to way to many who can't afford a $485,000 cracker jack box that actually cost only $15K or so to build. Countless souls who already lost a home who now no longer able to qualify for a loan.

And Obama tried to pass laws with teeth, and the republicans shot him down.

72Hardtop wrote: Credit card companies profiting billions off of debt with overly high interest rates.

And Obama tried to pass regulations with teeth, and the republicans shot him down.

72Hardtop wrote: Banks who continue to saddle people with hidden fees and outrageous charges all catered at keeping your money while they make the high interest rates.

And Obama tried to provide the Consumer Protection Bureau (*that he created) with serious enforcement powers, and the republicans shot him down.

72Hardtop wrote: Gas...lovely gas...which in case you've not noticed is higher than where it should be given the oil glut is at an all time high and prices of oil per barrel are at 30+ year lows. Reality is gas should realistically be roughly $1.50 or so per gallon given current oil pricing coupled with the glut.

This is irrational. Are you going to blame Obama for not lowering the price of gas ENOUGH? Remember when he was being blamed for throttling energy production with too many environmental regulations? Remember when the republicans were going to hold hearings? Insane idiocy!! There should be a floor under gas prices, and the Fed tax should have been raised when the prices dropped below $3.00 so we could have infrastructure funds. I am so damn tired of the republican imbecility.

72Hardtop wrote:Companies continue to profit billions and wages remain flat as ever...in fact, companies and billionaires have been taking their money overseas and avoiding paying taxes here. Why? Simple because of this Congress/administration's policies.

Pure unadulterated bullshit. Obama tried to stop outsourcing, tried to pass IRS regulations against offshore sheltering, tried to pass sunshine laws for CEO pay, and you, in your ignorant bubble of Faux talking points, are spewing totally wrong nonsense that this country cannot continue to tolerate. LOOK at how corporations WRITE THE LAWS for their beholden congresspeople. The latest assault against EPA regulation of chemicals (an alleged updating, they claimed) was proved to have been written by the chemical lobby. It was made clear from the computer coding that the final draft originated at the American Chemical Council itself. Blame Obama. What the hell.

72Hardtop wrote: And the list goes on...in the end its all smoke and mirrors for hard working Americans.

Check again to see who is throwing up the smoke and mirrors.
Colin

72Hardtop wrote:Then the fun starts...cleaning up his god forsaken mess he'll have left this country with.

This is spewed off by anyone who disagrees with an outgoing leader, president or otherwise.

I have friends who are alive due to this "mess." There comes a time where fighting an ideology costs more than the ideology itself. And if protecting the citizens of a nation from financial hardship due to coorperate greed is a mess, I'll volunteer to mop it up.

Robbie

asiab3 wrote:

72Hardtop wrote:Then the fun starts...cleaning up his god forsaken mess he'll have left this country with.

This is spewed off by anyone who disagrees with an outgoing leader, president or otherwise.

I have friends who are alive due to this "mess." There comes a time where fighting an ideology costs more than the ideology itself. And if protecting the citizens of a nation from financial hardship due to coorperate greed is a mess, I'll volunteer to mop it up.

Robbie

It is against the law to turn one away for medical treatment (has been for years) I'm not buying that reason. Most in this country disagree with the government provided Obama plan.

72Hardtop wrote:It is against the law to turn one away for medical treatment (has been for years) I'm not buying that reason.

You don't have to buy it. You've just never been in a position where you get to choose between food for your family or going to the doctor. While I'm thankful I haven't either, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. It's just like how I like paying taxes for public education even though I don't have any kids; I don't want to live in a world of stupid people. I don't want to live in a world of sick people either.

Quality of life in a nation/state/city/home can not thrive if citizens are afraid to cover basic maintenance of the human body. I don't want to live in a nation/state/city where everyone around me suffers from medical financial issue but me because I "got a good job."

I raise an eyebrow at the dissenters that would "move to Canada/Mexico/Europe" if Obama/ACA/whatever wins. Because without basic human functions on a first-world level, the US is looking more dismal for those that care about each other and the country.

asiab3 wrote:

72Hardtop wrote:It is against the law to turn one away for medical treatment (has been for years) I'm not buying that reason.

You don't have to buy it. You've just never been in a position where you get to choose between food for your family or going to the doctor. While I'm thankful I haven't either, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. It's just like how I like paying taxes for public education even though I don't have any kids; I don't want to live in a world of stupid people. I don't want to live in a world of sick people either.

Quality of life in a nation/state/city/home can not thrive if citizens are afraid to cover basic maintenance of the human body. I don't want to live in a nation/state/city where everyone around me suffers from medical financial issue but me because I "got a good job."

I raise an eyebrow at the dissenters that would "move to Canada/Mexico/Europe" if Obama/ACA/whatever wins. Because without basic human functions on a first-world level, the US is looking more dismal for those that care about each other and the country.

One doesn't have to make that choice. There have been for years state and federal aid programs for those who need assistance in paying for healthcare. Look at the hundreds of thousands who've flooded California for decades illegally yet somehow they manage to qualify for med-ical state coverage without ever paying for the service. You and I pay for it.

Talk to any Canadian and they'll tell you their healthcare is the next best thing to sliced bread & butter. There is reason so many have been coming to the US for years and it isn't because of Obama care.

Funny how those who talk of Obama care being great aren't even on it. Now that there are more with insurance they don't necessarily need the very important question remains...when will we have better health insurance? If you think the insurance industry is bad now, wait...now that the government has their hand in it you can expect the efficiency of the postal service and the compassion of the IRS. Another problem is young adults don't wish to be forced to buy an overpriced policy that compensates for people who are older or for those that qualify for a subsidy. Likewise older adults don't wish to purchase a policy that's overpriced for benefits they don't want or will never use. In the end its the middle class that will suffer as a result of Obama care. All the act does is shift from one income class to another while failing to provide meaningful coverage. Current numbers are that Obama care is unaffordable for 105 million Americans...yes that is 105 million.

At this point those who have a plan thru ACA are nothing more than lab rats and the experiment is on.