Hippie wrote:
I see frustration on my part, laying out premise after premise, leading to a logical conclusion.
You have not answered my premise that we are awash in more guns than any other civilized society and kill TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HUMAN BEINGS EVERY YEAR, so I desperately, achingly, want some sensible regulations, not to take away anyone's rights. and your premises leading to logical conclusions are somehow more sacred? Are you kidding? Is your frustration "more serious" than my frustration?
Hippie wrote:
I have seen the historical step by step removal of gun rights or other freedoms when the governments and the media have waited for the next public shooting they choose to report with whatever is the next handy means in order to ban the next thing.
Oh have you now? You have seen the historical step-by-step
removal of gun rights, have you? Is this a conspiracy between the media and the government? It defies the actual history of gun ownership in America, and I promise you, never before in our history has such a cornucopia of killing methods been so readily available!
Yeah, I see a step-by-step removal, too. Of sanity. By corporate interests called Smith &Wesson, Stag Arms, Colt, Remington, a fucking 12 billion dollar a year business!!
up 25% just since Obama has been in office, because the paranoid racists or secessionist nutcases or the fools! who believe their little gun collection has a chance against the modern American military have gone nutso! You think we gun control proponents are all stupid liberal nannies? Think again. The proof is out there, the paranoid whackos have lost it and have been on a buying spree since 2007. Time for the adults in the room to declare, "enough!" NOT by taking away your guns, but by regulating their purchase, distribution, and use, like any other possibly fatal drug, so shut up and deal with it. This country needs rational common sense. Please.
Hippie wrote:
I have seen the ineffective results be ignored. Agenda? I have seen the media mislead the public and discredit themselves incicating that they themselves know there is no public benefit to most of these laws. Agenday? Yes, that's the only possibility that's left. No wonder gun rights people in this country are screaming "Not one more inch!"
Not one more inch! ??? Who has
given an inch?? Answer that. What inch have you given while the rest of the country wonders why on Earth gun sales have exploded since Obama has been in office?
No public benefit to most of these laws? You mean they are misleading us that the laws don't seem to work? News flash! We know. That is why we are trying to figure out the next step.
Hippie wrote:
"Manipulate"? You accuse me of manuipulation? I was trying for a factual debate. You had every chance to participate in that.
Are you angry at me because you just couldn't keep up? You don't know anything about me at all.
No, I am not angry with you. Re-read or post my PM to you the last time you left in a huff. Factual debate does not include threatening to leave time after time, then declaring that others here have an agenda, or that they need the last word. I am not babysitting your hair-triggeredness, that's all. On record here is your first grand exit where you went off on me,
"I'm a little disappointed that you took the opportunity of this tragedy to politicize this within, what a few minutes?
Shame on you.
I'm off this forum for good."
when in fact, I was seriously affected by what happened to my elementary school. Who actually politicised that very moment? That's a Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity Trophy for
you, right there.
Hippie wrote:I'm kind of sick of you being a asshole to me. So far you've accused me of ego, manipulation, and leaving in a pout.
Well Hippie, see the above. I rest my case.
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