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Re: Vote!

Post by tommu » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:44 pm

Small problem we have with Mr Trump (amongst other concerns) is that he is a racist white supremicist. Pretty hard to vote for one of those isn’t it?

Still here Colin - see you sometime soon..

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Post by Abscate » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:32 am

We are still a year away from vaccine immunity that will let us get back to normal. 2021 will be challenging but I think with the Hope in sight, people will not suffer the despair of 2020.

The next three months, many Americans will die, however.

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Post by asiab3 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:44 pm

This is shaping up to be the second most deadly Thanksgiving in our country's history. ;)
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Post by JLT » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:07 am

asiab3 wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:44 pm
This is shaping up to be the second most deadly Thanksgiving in our country's history. ;)
I must need more coffee or something. What was the first most deadly?

Unless it's the horrible turkey drop shipment in "WKRP in Cincinnati"?
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Post by asiab3 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:34 pm

Oh, it was a sad jab at 1600's colonialism and imperialism. You know, large gatherings bringing plagues and diseases into otherwise peaceful communities…
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Post by JLT » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:03 am

asiab3 wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:34 pm
Oh, it was a sad jab at 1600's colonialism and imperialism. You know, large gatherings bringing plagues and diseases into otherwise peaceful communities…
Gotcha.
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Post by sgkent » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:42 pm

tommu wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:44 pm
Small problem we have with Mr Trump (amongst other concerns) is that he is a racist white supremicist. Pretty hard to vote for one of those isn’t it?

Still here Colin - see you sometime soon..
So let me ask a question Tom - if you had one gallon of milk, and the neighbor's children were starving, would you give it to them knowing it would mean your own children would starve to death? There is only a yes or no answer available - it is the ONLY gallon of milk available. If you say no then you are a butcher who is selfish, and if you say yes then you are an awful father who would let his own children starve. If you say yes but I would hope for more then you believe in unicorns because that was not an option.
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Post by sgkent » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:45 pm

sgkent wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:42 pm
tommu wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:44 pm
Small problem we have with Mr Trump (amongst other concerns) is that he is a racist white supremicist. Pretty hard to vote for one of those isn’t it?

Still here Colin - see you sometime soon..
So let me ask a question Tom - a man is asked - if you had one gallon of milk, and the neighbor's children were starving, would you give it to them knowing it would mean your own children would starve to death? There is only a yes or no answer available - it is the ONLY gallon of milk available. If he says no then he is a butcher who is selfish, and if he says yes then he is an awful father who would let his own children starve. If he says, yes but I would hope for more then he believes in unicorns because that was not an option. My father, his brothers, and cousins who would be DEEPLY opposed to your position, risked their lives so you could remain English and free. Ray didn't make it, he was torpedoed off England delivering food so that your ancestors would have something to eat.

You call them racist because it is the herd thing to do. Personally with all the liberal violence and BS that has been directed at conservatives, like your post, I see only one way left for America to resolve these differences, and that is another bloody Civil War. But it will not be our first, it will be our third. I hope you and your family survive it. Know that it is of your side's fabrication, but you may not be able to look in the mirror and see that. My family survived the first two, and if one includes the war between Native Americans and Colonials we survived that one too, because I also have Plains and Cherokee ancestors. Your choice to call Donald Trump a racist is to call me a racist too because I support his concern of returning jobs and wealth to the people who live in this country already. Remember, he asked Congress for a permanent resolution to DACA, but your side and Nancy laughed at him. Who is the racist?
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Post by JLT » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:59 pm

sgkent wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:45 pm
Personally with all the liberal violence and BS that has been directed at conservatives, like your post, I see only one way left for America to resolve these differences, and that is another bloody Civil War. But it will not be our first, it will be our third.

Well, I may be in a news bubble of my own, but I haven't heard much about "liberal violence and BS that has been directed at conservatives." We liberals are not very good at sending death threats to people we don't like. We're not the ones with guns who are making a great "show of strength" at civic buildings. We haven't lynched anybody for years and years. We don't go shooting up churches. We don't go around throwing unarmed protestors into unmarked vehicles. Our campaign rallies don't have proclamations from the podium praising violence and promising protection for those who use it. What on earth is wrong with us?

I also have Plains and Cherokee ancestors.
So I'm sure that you're a strong supporter of native Americans who are suffering from neglect from the Department of the Interior, who are fighting the acquisition of the land promised to them but oil companies need for pipelines, and who have been the difference in tipping Arizona blue in the last election. Good for you!
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Post by asiab3 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:11 pm

sgkent wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:42 pm
So let me ask a question Tom - if you had one gallon of milk, and the neighbor's children were starving, would you give it to them knowing it would mean your own children would starve to death? There is only a yes or no answer available - it is the ONLY gallon of milk available. If you say no then you are a butcher who is selfish, and if you say yes then you are an awful father who would let his own children starve. If you say yes but I would hope for more then you believe in unicorns because that was not an option.
This argument falls apart when you eventually realize that life is not a zero sum game.
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Post by TrollFromDownBelow » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:17 pm

What drives me bananas is if you don't support Trump, your automatically a hard core, left wing commie. You can be Republican, and find the candidate so repulsive you vote for a Democrat, and vice-versa for that matter. I want secure borders, but I also want a reasonable, fair, and timely process that allows people to become citizens legally, I want a good economy, but I also don't want our government to go bankrupt in the process (even before Covid, this is the first time we've had a growing economy and a growing deficit). Some of Trump's policies I agree with, many I don't. I didn't vote for him because he is the most divisive POTUS I remember in my 50 years on this planet. He has made statements that appear to me as very racist (the most recent about the Proud Boys...). Our allies don't trust us. We need someone that can heal this countries open wounds, not rub salt into them.We need someone that other countries can trust to keep their word. That, more than anything is the most important at this moment.

I remember Obama stating one time that politics are fought between the two 40 yard lines. That's the way it should be in a democracy....nearly as many people voted for Trump as they did for Biden. This election was not a referendum. People of both political parties need to understand this.

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I agree with you Robbie....life is not a zero sum game. Maybe you have a gallon of milk, and give them half gallon for a pound of beef that they have, but it will rot because they don't have electricity..but you do, so you get that beef and make a meal for you family. It's a weak example, but the point is, normally things aren't so black and white.
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