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Re: Fascism . . . Coming To A Country Near You

Post by hippiewannabe » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:06 pm

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Abscate wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:57 pm
It's fun to watch the self-righteous Europeans, who gained and sustained their freedom only by the sacrifice of American blood and treasure, panic as they contemplate the withdrawal of our patronage.
Sweet Jesus. Please read history books. America neither invented nor sustained democracy for most of its life. Its a great place, mostly because we can write about how great it can be and how not-great it has been, with impunity.

Voter ID laws are simply a canard for voter suppression of urban areas, which run Democratic. Why? Because when you have to live near a lot of people, some of them won't look like you, but you figure out they just want the same liberties as you, and you learn tolerance.

Bi-partisan studies have shown the upper limit on voter fraud influence is 0.02% of ballots cast.

Next topic.
Sweet Jesus yourself, I've read plenty of history. In 20,000 years of human civilization, and 5,000 years of recorded history, freedom is quite rare. Ancient Greece had something you could call democracy, but it was a tiny slice of its population and such a tiny slice of history that it is an interesting anomaly rather than real data point. No, it was the USA that began a real codified and sustainable liberation of the populace. A fact which will forever drive the French crazy.

Exactly how do these studies know the extent of voter fraud without checking IDs? Just like Chicago in 1960, failure to find the fraud may very well mean you don't have the capability to detect the fraud, not that the fraud didn't occur.
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Re: Fascism . . . Coming To A Country Near You

Post by tommu » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:47 pm

hippiewannabe wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:06 pm
Abscate wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:57 pm
It's fun to watch the self-righteous Europeans, who gained and sustained their freedom only by the sacrifice of American blood and treasure, panic as they contemplate the withdrawal of our patronage.
Sweet Jesus. Please read history books. America neither invented nor sustained democracy for most of its life. Its a great place, mostly because we can write about how great it can be and how not-great it has been, with impunity.

Voter ID laws are simply a canard for voter suppression of urban areas, which run Democratic. Why? Because when you have to live near a lot of people, some of them won't look like you, but you figure out they just want the same liberties as you, and you learn tolerance.

Bi-partisan studies have shown the upper limit on voter fraud influence is 0.02% of ballots cast.

Next topic.
Sweet Jesus yourself, I've read plenty of history. In 20,000 years of human civilization, and 5,000 years of recorded history, freedom is quite rare. Ancient Greece had something you could call democracy, but it was a tiny slice of its population and such a tiny slice of history that it is an interesting anomaly rather than real data point. No, it was the USA that began a real codified and sustainable liberation of the populace. A fact which will forever drive the French crazy.

Exactly how do these studies know the extent of voter fraud without checking IDs? Just like Chicago in 1960, failure to find the fraud may very well mean you don't have the capability to detect the fraud, not that the fraud didn't occur.
Define freedom and liberation. This conversation is a waste of time without us knowing your understanding of these concepts.

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